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Old 06-22-2016, 12:17 PM   #1941
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Who bucked up for the renos back in 95? Was it the city?
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Old 06-22-2016, 12:28 PM   #1942
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Do you think the city of Dallas will ever recover from this injustice?
I'm sure they'll recover in time to build a brand new completely necessary modern facilty in 2035 to replace the antiquated structure they're currently replacing.
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Old 06-22-2016, 12:30 PM   #1943
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Don't worry guys, the money isn't coming directly from citizen's bank accounts, so it doesn't count.
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Old 06-22-2016, 04:06 PM   #1944
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Sorry, a little delayed in responding. You are spot on.
Now I'm delayed in responding, haven't been back in this thread in a while.

I don't think that's accurate then. The fact that $100M dollars today won't have the same value it does in 10 years isn't relevant in my opinion. If the cities estimate to clean up the area today is $100M lets say (I can't remember what they said, but the actual number doesn't matter), it's not going to be $100M ten years from now when they want to do it. The cost of cleaning it up 10 years from now will likely increase at the same "discount rate" (in your example 5%) that you figured would make it cheaper to do in 10 years.

Things don't get cheaper in the future, they tend to get more expensive and cost more. The city will have to do re-calculate the clean up costs 10 years from now, and inflation will simply drive that cost up.

The issue with cleaning up now versus later for the city is likely more of a budgeting and planning issue. When do they want to spend the money on the clean up (if at all), and if they get pushed to do it now by the Flames or anyone else, what other projects get tabled and don't move forward because they allocated the funds away from them to the west village or how do they fund this as an extra investment.

To me, outside of the city not being sure we need / want this scope of project, the biggest thing is they want it on the East side of DT:
1. Because it likely aligns with the funding / planning they are allocating to the East Village already (so developing that area is already in scope during the proposed time frame)
2. They do want tie in with the Stampede, keep the "event" locations in close proximity.
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Old 06-22-2016, 04:28 PM   #1945
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I'm still callin' for a stand alone arena on the East end of downtown, and do a full demo on the Stampede Grandstand and make that a new football stadium with open endzones so the Chucks and still run through. Aside from having to take around 2 weeks off for the Rangeland Derby (bye week/road trip covers that off), you'd get more use out of the facility and the Stampeders move down to the Stampede Grounds.
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Old 06-27-2016, 07:50 AM   #1946
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Flames will be in front of city council today to rebut to the $1.8 billion report

http://calgaryherald.com/news/local-...garynext-costs
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Old 06-27-2016, 09:42 AM   #1947
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Seems to be the 4th of 4 things on the agenda. Guessing after lunch?
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Old 06-27-2016, 09:46 AM   #1948
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King was to be on CBC Eye Opener this morning . . .
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Old 06-27-2016, 09:48 AM   #1949
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That's insane, the place was built in the 90's and they're replacing it already??
I go to Dallas quite a bit for work. That is still an amazing stadium. An absolute joke that it is being replaced.

The guys in our Texas office have told me that Dallas was willing to build the Rangers an amazing Stadium in downtown Dallas to be ready as soon as the Rangers lease expired in Arlington. Arlington was so desperate to keep the team there, they basically said they would build the Rangers whatever they want and gave them a blank cheque. A completely ridiculous situation, that would only occur in Texas.
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Old 06-27-2016, 09:57 AM   #1950
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It sounds like the Flames presentation will behind closed doors.

Not sure they will release many details.
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Old 06-27-2016, 09:58 AM   #1951
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I guess that's one way to sway the public.
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I go to Dallas quite a bit for work. That is still an amazing stadium. An absolute joke that it is being replaced.

The guys in our Texas office have told me that Dallas was willing to build the Rangers an amazing Stadium in downtown Dallas to be ready as soon as the Rangers lease expired in Arlington. Arlington was so desperate to keep the team there, they basically said they would build the Rangers whatever they want and gave them a blank cheque. A completely ridiculous situation, that would only occur in Texas.
It's a nice stadium, but pretty much the perfect example of why you don't build baseballs stadiums way out in the burbs/satellite communities.

Someone should also have thought that not having a roof over a baseball stadium in Texas in the summer might have an impact on attendance
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Old 06-27-2016, 10:27 AM   #1953
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It's a nice stadium, but pretty much the perfect example of why you don't build baseballs stadiums way out in the burbs/satellite communities.

Someone should also have thought that not having a roof over a baseball stadium in Texas in the summer might have an impact on attendance
The burbs are where everyone live there though, so being in the burbs isn't that big of a deal. It's close to a lot of the communities, and right in the middle of Dallas and Fort Worth. Location is not an issue there. We aren't talking Glendale here.

No roof was ridiculous though. I've been there a couple of times when I could barely sit there because of the heat. Had my wife been with me, i'm sure she wouldn't have last more than a couple of innings.
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Old 06-27-2016, 10:47 AM   #1954
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nm presentation is public... sounds to be 90 minutes

News Talk 770 ‏@NewsTalk770
Many owners of the Flames here as King begins presentation, says include response to admin report on Calgary Next and also on Plan B #yyc
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Old 06-27-2016, 10:51 AM   #1955
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kive stream

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Old 06-27-2016, 10:52 AM   #1956
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Bean claims CalgaryNEXT will cost $1.1 billion before financing and $1.3 billion after financing
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Old 06-27-2016, 10:53 AM   #1957
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Flames believe CalgaryNEXT will cost an addtional $13 million in extra infastructure coss
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Old 06-27-2016, 10:58 AM   #1960
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Interesting math presented. I hope this is not how they intend to manage the salary cap.
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