1. The article cites a poll that is 4 years old, and doesn't actually link to the poll in question. Be nice to see the details rather than just citing it.
2. The article also has a citation to Wiki so....yeah. Never good to see that.
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Like others in this thread, I remember a girl in HS about 15 years ago who claimed that the earth was only 5-6k years old.
Her story wasn't a conspiracy, just that when lizards die their bones keep growing and that scientists misidentified their bones as being from dinosaurs.
Yeah man, everyone knows that. Didnt they teach you that in school? Its why the Lizardmen came back, we unknowingly established our society on the Lizardman Sacred Burial World.
Our bad Lizardbros....our bad.
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this is more about the fallacy of polls then anything else. You can't say that 35% of Albertans believe in Creationism because you and I and everyone else here knows it true.
Polls really should have to disclose their methods and give us a functional breakdown based on area codes.
Because when you do a limited number poll, you can skew the number using geography.
Heck if I want this poll to show creationism is a thing, maybe I need to up my calling in a rural area around Coaldale Alberta because its filled with a high level of old religious people and lower my calling to down town Calgary.
Bamm 35% believe that Zuul is our lord and master. (This poll was based on 1000 calls)
We've seen over the last few election campaigns that polling in its present form is complete BS.
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If I believe in creationism I may now also believe in Dailing for Dollars, Mercedes Benz, color tv's and a night on the town. Pretty simple equation where I'm from.
I may be mistaken, but Peter12 isn't arguing that it should be taught in school, certainly not public school. He was responding to Damage79 arguing that they shouldn't have the right to believe in Creationism.
While I certainly don't agree with them, they absolutely have a right to believe in it. It's the first one listed under Fundamental Freedoms.
I see. Yes that's certainly their right to do so. Doesn't decrease the risk to our society.
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I don't have any problem with creationism being taught in the schools as a myth...completely separate from science. A good teacher should be able to handle any challenges by students or parents.
I also don't think believing in creationism is doing any harm to an individual or to society. As someone above pointed out, it occupies just one tiny compartment in one's world view.
Old societal beliefs, like creationism, can sometimes take generations to change. One can take solace in the fact that we are changing at a much faster rate than in the past.
I don't have any problem with creationism being taught in the schools as a myth...completely separate from science. A good teacher should be able to handle any challenges by students or parents.
I also don't think believing in creationism is doing any harm to an individual or to society. As someone above pointed out, it occupies just one tiny compartment in one's world view.
Old societal beliefs, like creationism, can sometimes take generations to change. One can take solace in the fact that we are changing at a much faster rate than in the past.
Partially because they continue to get taught to new generations!
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It is quite possible that people don't fully understand what creationism is. Quite often you'll see an article of creationism vs evolution, without reading the article, which is very common, one may say, "oh, well I believe in God and that God created us, so yeah, I guess I'm with creationism."
If somebody merely did a google search for "definition of creationism" they'll see this:
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the belief that the universe and living organisms originate from specific acts of divine creation, as in the biblical account, rather than by natural processes such as evolution.
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Then they would think "Oh, well, yes, I believe God created us, so I'm for creationism."
If somebody were to delve a bit deeper, they'll see that there is much more than what appears on the surface of what they think that word means or what it all stands for beyond God creating Heaven and Earth.
So, I can fully see why 35% is a higher number that what many people expect it should be.
Most people who say they believe in creationism are really saying that they reject Darwinism's relevance as a homogenous theory that explains everything about who we are as human beings. They reject evolutionary biology's preference for ultimate rather than proximate causes for explaining the personal facets of life.
In this, I completely agree with them. I don't like the anti-intellectualism that accompanies it, however.
I don't have any problem with creationism being taught in the schools as a myth...completely separate from science. A good teacher should be able to handle any challenges by students or parents.
In grade 7 science an annoying kid in my class piped up when the teacher was describing plate tectonics and asked about Adam and Eve. The teacher waved her hand dismissively and said "that's just Christian mythology" and went back to teaching the lesson. This was in 1982. I always admired how she handled that.
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Most people who say they believe in creationism are really saying that they reject Darwinism's relevance as a homogenous theory that explains everything about who we are as human beings. They reject evolutionary biology's preference for ultimate rather than proximate causes for explaining the personal facets of life.
You're using big words again, but don't you have this backwards? Evolutionary biology recognizes no "ultimate" cause for anything -- only a series of proximate causes that happen to have resulted in all of our lives. It's the creationists who have a preference for "ultimate" causes.
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You're using big words again, but don't you have this backwards? Evolutionary biology recognizes no "ultimate" cause for anything -- only a series of proximate causes that happen to have resulted in all of our lives. It's the creationists who have a preference for "ultimate" causes.
In terms of behaviour, biologists believe that a lot of the interactions, behaviours, and beliefs that humans understand as meaningful are merely adapted behaviours in service of natural selection.
Christians believe that God can be both distant and personal. So you can say that there is a great mystery underlying our existence, and that man is merely one small piece in a vast puzzle created by an unknowable, and indeed, terrifying deity, but you can also believe that you are a creature able to have a personal connection with this God.
In terms of behaviour, biologists believe that a lot of the interactions, behaviours, and beliefs that humans understand as meaningful are merely adapted behaviours in service of natural selection.
Yeah ... "proximate" causes -- responses to whatever conditions they're exposed to, resulting in survival. There is no ultimate purpose, beyond survival, in evolutionary theories. It's theistic people who ascribe an ultimate meaning to human behaviours.
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My dad was a Pentecostal minister. Growing up, I didn't know anyone who didn't believe in creationism - except for myself, but declaring that was a good way to earn a smacking and the calling of the elders to come in for a laying on of hands to cast out the demons (not an exaggeration, they were that hard core about it/everything). So I just nodded and played along. None of it ever made sense to me, even as a young child. But, as I said, you didn't voice these things at home because it was an unpleasant experience.
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