[Rumour] Flames aggressively trying to move up. UPD: Treliving and Kekelainen meeting on floor

[FlameZilla]

I'm sold. Let's do it.

[GoJetsGo]

Kekalainen told The [Columbus] Dispatch that he’s already had at least two offers that would include the No. 3 pick.
“I’ve had phone calls; I’ve had (other GMs) ask me if we’d move the pick,” Kekalainen said. “And I’ve already had a couple of really good offers. Aggressive offers. Fair offers. But nothing yet that’s made me really consider moving it.”
He also said “it would take an awful lot for us to move out of that pick.”

My guess would be he's holding out hope someone will offer something ridiculously stupid.

I'm assuming Treliving has a fair offer out there and this comment opens the door in the next 48 hours for another team to offer the moon.

Hopefully no one bites and we remain one of the best suitors.

It's going to be a long wait until Friday.

[Calgary4LIfe]

I bet that Columbus would feel much better about moving down to 4th or 5th - only team between 3rd and 6th that is rumored to be interested in Brown is Van. Flames could move up a spot and trade with Van, or move up two by trading with Edmonton. Should be much cheaper with Van.

I wonder if people would be ok with a:

3OA + Hartnell <--------> 6OA + 2nds + Wotherspoon/Kulak (or one of the later seconds).

Van needs defensive prospects, right? I would think they are more interested in acquiring Dubois. Edmonton is supposedly looking at Tkachuk - but might take Dubois instead. I wonder how much Vancouver would feel about the risk of losing out on both Dubois and Brown - which I think is a relatively small risk since Tkachuk makes a bit more sense for Edmonton (I think anyways).

To Calgary:
5OA

To Vancouver:
6OA + Wotherspoon or Kulak

Calgary then flips the 5OA - to Columbus:

Calgary
3OA + Hartnell

Columbus
5OA + 35OA

Columbus drops down 2 spots and is fairly assured of getting Brown (think Edmonton - if they are going to go away from Tkachuk sound like they will take Dubois anyways, as they need aggressive physical players in the their top 6). They drop cap and drop a NMC. Risk is smaller, so I think only the 35OA needs to be added. It is 2 spots + assurance of picking ahead of Vancouver, the other team that has expressed a lot of interest in Brown.

[Alberta_Beef]

But why would Columbus do that first deal C4L? All reports indicate they want a #1 or potential #1 centre. The only way the Flames will get pick #3 is if Bennett or Monahan are the main piece or there is no incentive for Columbus to make the deal. I think the only way the Flames can land #3 would be if it were Bennett (maybe a small plus) for #3 and Hartnell. I'm no advocate of moving Bennett but that appears to be the type of deal Columbus is looking for.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

But why would Columbus do that first deal C4L? All reports indicate they want a #1 or potential #1 centre. The only way the Flames will get pick #3 is if Bennett or Monahan are the main piece or there is no incentive for Columbus to make the deal. I think the only way the Flames can land #3 would be if it were Bennett (maybe a small plus) for #3 and Hartnell. I'm no advocate of moving Bennett but that appears to be the type of deal Columbus is looking for.

Columbus paid the fee to have Brown tested. There has been a lot of speculation they're very interested in him.

They also want to shed salary to retain Jones and free up roster spots for the expansion draft.

It's possible the ask is astronomic like Monahan/Bennett but the possibility they're ok with drafting Brown and picking up more assets / shedding salary is also plausible.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

Columbus paid the fee to have Brown tested. There has been a lot of speculation they're very interested in him.

They also want to shed salary to retain Jones and free up roster spots for the expansion draft.

It's possible the ask is astronomic like Monahan/Bennett but the possibility they're ok with drafting Brown and picking up more assets / shedding salary is also plausible.

I'm not sure what Brown has to do with the reports they are looking for a top centre other than the fact he is potentially their back-up plan if they cannot land a centre in a trade, but trading down to #6 for him is a risk because hasn't there also been speculation that Vancouver likes Brown?

And Bennett for #3 isn't what I would call an astronomical ask, I wouldn't do it because I think it is more important to have centre depth, but that would be pretty fair value.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

I'm not sure what Brown has to do with the reports they are looking for a top centre other than the fact he is potentially their back-up plan if they cannot land a centre in a trade, but trading down to #6 for him is a risk because hasn't there also been speculation that Vancouver likes Brown?

You are drawing all kinds of concrete conclusions. It's been speculated they want a #1 Centre. That doesn't mean they won't move the pick for anything less. Maybe they really like Brown... and they also tested Keller. There are a lot of possibilities beyond what you're suggesting.

You said above "The only way the Flames will get pick #3 is if Bennett or Monahan are the main piece"... and you don't know that at all.

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

And Bennett for #3 isn't what I would call an astronomical ask, I wouldn't do it because I think it is more important to have centre depth, but that would be pretty fair value.

I don't think so at all, and I'm sure the majority here and around the league would disagree with you.

You might be correct, but you have worded several of your assertions like they're definitive, and they're not.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

You are drawing all kinds of concrete conclusions. It's been speculated they want a #1 Centre. That doesn't mean they won't move the pick for anything less. Maybe they really like Brown... and they also tested Keller. There are a lot of possibilities beyond what you're suggesting.

You said above "The only way the Flames will get pick #3 is if Bennett or Monahan are the main piece"... and you don't know that at all.

I know exactly what I said and I stand by it 100%. I have made a deduction based on the various reports out there.
1) Columbus wants a top centre
2) Columbus has interest in Brown
3) Vancouver may have interest in Brown

Thus I feel Brown may be their backup if they cannot get a centre for the #3 pick. I also feel that they will not trade down behind Vancouver because of potential interest they may have in Brown. Thus any trade invollving Calgary would need to involve a centre because they aren't going to trade down and potentially screw up their back-up plan.

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

I don't think so at all, and I'm sure the majority here and around the league would disagree with you.

You might be correct, but you have worded several of your assertions like they're definitive, and they're not.

I think you are overvaluing Bennett here, as most Flames fans would. I have worded my opinions as I have to emphasize how strongly I feel about how likely they are and I stand behind that 100%. As I stated above the Blue Jackets reportedly have interest in Brown, the Canucks potentially do too, so Columbus trading to a pick behind Vancouver makes little sense, so the only thing that makes sense for them to want from Calgary is Monahan or Bennett.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

I know exactly what I said and I stand by it 100%. I have made a deduction based on the various reports out there.
1) Columbus wants a top centre
2) Columbus has interest in Brown
3) Vancouver may have interest in Brown

Thus I feel Brown may be their backup if they cannot get a centre for the #3 pick. I also feel that they will not trade down behind Vancouver because of potential interest they may have in Brown. Thus any trade invollving Calgary would need to involve a centre because they aren't going to trade down and potentially screw up their back-up plan.

You can feel as strongly as you like. But when you use language like "The only way Columbus trades the third pick is if _________", it's a big disservice to discussion because you're presenting it as though it's set in stone or that you have some information the rest of us don't.

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

I think you are overvaluing Bennett here, as most Flames fans would. I have worded my opinions as I have to emphasize how strongly I feel about how likely they are and I stand behind that 100%. As I stated above the Blue Jackets reportedly have interest in Brown, the Canucks potentially do too, so Columbus trading to a pick behind Vancouver makes little sense, so the only thing that makes sense for them to want from Calgary is Monahan or Bennett.

Not really worried that you think I'm over-valuing Bennett. He's one of the best young centre prospects in the league because of the style of game he plays.

He's also showed what he can do debuting in the playoffs and putting together a solid rookie season.

Regardless, you've already admitted it's disadvantageous for the Flames to trade him as it would just create another hole in our all too important depth at centre so we're in agreement there. I can't think there would be too many informed Flames fans who think that would be a good idea to ship Bennett out for the 3rd pick (if that were the ask).

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

You can feel as strongly as you like. But when you use language like "The only way Columbus trades the third pick is if _________", it's a big disservice to discussion because you're presenting it as though it's set in stone or that you have some information the rest of us don't.
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You are worrying way too much about how I choose to express my opinions, I'm posting on a discussion forum and do not claim to have any insider information so it is obvious to anyone who chooses to think for a moment that I am expressing nothing more than opinions.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

You are worrying way too much about how I choose to express my opinions, I'm posting on a discussion forum and do not claim to have any insider information so it is obvious to anyone who chooses to think for a moment that I am expressing nothing more than opinions.

I couldn't be less worried about it in the grand scheme of things, I just didn't like the way you pretty much wrote off every suggestion that came before yours like it was factual and pointed it out while mentioning there are a lot of different things Columbus could be thinking.

I think there have been a few good proposals presented in this thread and we'll find out soon.

I think Columbus has said a few things in an attempt to solicit more offers and potentially raise the price. Probably much the same as Calgary leaking their interest in several different goalies. A lot of deception going on in the media makes it tough to have a read on what any team is truly willing to do.

[Flames_F.T.W]

I keep forgetting about the risk of a Jones offer sheet. That would be an absolute disaster for Columbus if they trade their #1C for Jones and then lose Jones to an offer sheet.
They REALLY do need to shed some salary. Obviously they may come up with a creative way to do so, but packaging one of their NMC with #3OA to move down a few spots seem like it could be win-win for everyone involved-- especially if they prefer someone other than Puljujaarvi

[puckedoff]

Treliving should threaten to offer sheet Jones if Kekalainen doesn't accept his trade offer

[Poe969]

Threats always work! Just ask the oilers about t working with the Bruins over Hamilton!

Oh wait...

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by FlameZilla

Yes, a good return and possibly fair, but it isn't going to turn Kekalainen's head. He's made it abundantly clear that only a vast overpayment would make him consider a trade (posted pages back):



Columbus are in the driver's seat here. There is nothing forcing them to move down in the draft. It has to be a no-brainer deal for them, and I'm afraid a 2nd rounder, a middle six centre & a meagre amount of cap relief isn't "an awful lot" when you're passing up on one of the top 3 talents in the draft and parting with a veteran top 6 forward who can still produce.

Fine. Let Columbus drive off the cliff. We don't have to go with them. Don't put all your eggs in one basket. That is always wise advise.

[Vinny01]

The Bennett talk is BS. Columbus can ask for him all they want it would never happen. The Flames love the way Bennett plays and he has huge upside to becoming a number 1 centre. There is no way he is traded for Puljujarvi. The only way the Flames get Puljujarvi is in a trade up scenario

[jg13]

I actually wouldn't be shocked if Bennett and Puljujarvi were part of a deal as much as CP would not be satisfied, The Flames still draft #6 and might be very high on Brown/Keller to replace Bennett at C.

There's a fair chance Puljujarvi is ready to step into the lineup and produce as much as Bennett would next season given his size and the fact he's been playing against men the last 2 seasons.

[Poe969]

I can't see any kind of deal involving Bennett and Puljujarvi. Bennett has more value and realistically the main reason the Flames would get Puljujarvi is to play him with Bennett

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Poe969

I can't see any kind of deal involving Bennett and Puljujarvi. Bennett has more value and realistically the main reason the Flames would get Puljujarvi is to play him with Bennett

Remember when we used to have this exact conversation, except, instead of having the winger, we now have the centre?

I love having Bennett and Monahan. The road to success is through the middle.

No way the Flames trade Bennett.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by jg13

I actually wouldn't be shocked if Bennett and Puljujarvi were part of a deal as much as CP would not be satisfied, The Flames still draft #6 and might be very high on Brown/Keller to replace Bennett at C.

There's a fair chance Puljujarvi is ready to step into the lineup and produce as much as Bennett would next season given his size and the fact he's been playing against men the last 2 seasons.

Bennett plays a style of game that the Flames management covet. He just turned 20 and is poised to have a breakout season. Why would the Flames trade him for a winger that has never played in the NHL that is about to have knee surgery?

Then we get into the talk of Columbus wanting to dump Hartnell or Clarkson in the deal. Bennett is already worth more than Puljujarvi so how can they dump a bad contract as well?

If the Flames get the 3rd pick it is going to be a trade up scenario. Of course I don't know that for sure but logic and common sense point to that being the method they use to get the pick.