[Rumour] Lavoie: Flames looking at Varlamov

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by FlameZilla

I don't think there's any coincidence that the Bishop & Varlamov rumours have popped up just after Rutherford's supposed demand for 6th overall in return for Fleury.

Yes, Treliving is probably looking at other options, but it's also going to make Rutherford a bit itchy that he could miss out on potentially his best opportunity to get a decent return for MAF before the expansion next year.

Rutherford will blink first. He bit off more than he could chew with that ridiculous posturing for 6th OA (doubt he's idiotic enough to truly believe he can get it). If you're trying to posture - at least go for a realistically strong position, say asking for all three 2nd's. Instead of going for the untouchable asset. Might've actually got some hemming and hawing from Treliving instead of bursting into laughter and saying "Hilarious one Jim, let's hear another good one".

If the ask is ridiculous, the counter offer will also be as ridiculous. The nasty part of me hopes that Treliving countered with 6OA for MAF + Crosby @ 50% retained. And since the stupid Penguins rumor came out first, it also made many TB fans also feel immediately entitled to our 6th OA too when the dim bulb posted his crap about Bishop. Arrrrrrrrgh!!!

Just unbelievable.

[Calgary4LIfe]

I echo Enoch's comment - wait and see about trading up first, and once (or if) that ship has sailed, trade down and pick up Varlamov.

I would be very comfortable with a handful of forwards (and D) at 6, and some will definitely be around at 10. Jost and Keller are likely to be there, perhaps even Brown (who seems like the biggest wildcard in the bunch, but I think he will be gone before 10). I prefer Brown right now at 6, but Jost or Keller would make me happy at 6, and either one would make me just as happy at 10 too. Almost guaranteed one of them is around at 10.

Really depends on the add. Unlike most posters, I view Colborne as a much more valuable asset than a 2nd round pick. I would be ecstatic if all 2nd round picks ended up being Joe Colbornes.

[FlameZilla]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

Rutherford will blink first. He bit off more than he could chew with that ridiculous posturing for 6th OA (doubt he's idiotic enough to truly believe he can get it). If you're trying to posture - at least go for a realistically strong position, say asking for all three 2nd's. Instead of going for the untouchable asset. Might've actually got some hemming and hawing from Treliving instead of bursting into laughter and saying "Hilarious one Jim, let's hear another good one".

If the ask is ridiculous, the counter offer will also be as ridiculous. The nasty part of me hopes that Treliving countered with 6OA for MAF + Crosby @ 50% retained. And since the stupid Penguins rumor came out first, it also made many TB fans also feel immediately entitled to our 6th OA too when the dim bulb posted his crap about Bishop. Arrrrrrrrgh!!!

Just unbelievable.

Well, lucky that the TB fans aren't the ones making any trades.

I doubt anyone can honestly claim they saw Dougie Hamilton becoming a Flame for a few draft picks last year. I'm fairly optimistic people will be surprised by what Treliving is able to accomplish at this year's draft. He has the assets available to make a splash, that's for sure.

[Huntingwhale]

I just don't see this making sense for the Avs. Varlamov is their franchise goalie and puts up pretty good numbers in what could be considered a dumpster fire of a defense. Add in the rumors of Barrie going to be traded, and your left with a whole lot of nothing when it comes to stopping the puck. Johnson is the only top pairing guy left and who will play in net for them? Then the hunt is on for them to get a goalie. Do they have a decent defense without Barrie? I honestly don't watch the Avs enough to really know other then what I see on the stat sheet. But trading away your franchise #1 goalie screams of a step backwards for a team like them. The Avs are desperate to take the next step forward.

Unless they have a goalie in waiting or a backup who is ready to be ridden as a #1, I don't see why the Avs would do it.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

I just don't see this making sense for the Avs. Varlamov is their franchise goalie and puts up pretty good numbers in what could be considered a dumpster fire of a defense. Add in the rumors of Barrie going to be traded, and your left with a whole lot of nothing when it comes to stopping the puck. Johnson is the only top pairing guy left and who will play in net for them? Then the hunt is on for them to get a goalie. Do they have a decent defense without Barrie? I honestly don't watch the Avs enough to really know other then what I see on the stat sheet. But trading away your franchise #1 goalie screams of a step backwards for a team like them. The Avs are desperate to take the next step forward.

Unless they have a goalie in waiting or a backup who is ready to be ridden as a #1, I don't see why the Avs would do it.

Avs have 20m in cap space (generalfanger.com) and have McKinnon, Barrie, Pickard and Grigorenko as RFAs to sign. Then have UFAs like Boedker to try and re-sign and still attempt to bolster their D corps. There's a good possibility that COL would like some more cap flexibility and have some faith in Pickard and Berra as they both did pretty well for them last year.

Maybe they focus on moving Duchene, who knows.

[Dr. Doom]

Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

I just don't see this making sense for the Avs. Varlamov is their franchise goalie and puts up pretty good numbers in what could be considered a dumpster fire of a defense. Add in the rumors of Barrie going to be traded, and your left with a whole lot of nothing when it comes to stopping the puck. Johnson is the only top pairing guy left and who will play in net for them? Then the hunt is on for them to get a goalie. Do they have a decent defense without Barrie? I honestly don't watch the Avs enough to really know other then what I see on the stat sheet. But trading away your franchise #1 goalie screams of a step backwards for a team like them. The Avs are desperate to take the next step forward.

Unless they have a goalie in waiting or a backup who is ready to be ridden as a #1, I don't see why the Avs would do it.

You have some homework to do then.
They have Varly, Berra and Pickard under contract.
Pickard was close to taking the net from Varlamov last season if not for his large contract.
Free'ing Varlys cap space might be one of the wisest things they could do.
That and if you ask Avs fans as good as Varlamov is he can have some stinkers.

[iamca]

Watched Varly play live in the Can 5 times last season and another 20 or so games on TV... Do not want.

Very inconsistent, can let in soft goals early and often.

Stay away, far away.

[Split98]

Just his sketchy past (current?) is enough for be to want him far from this team

[Samonadreau]

In defense of Varlomov's inconsistency Colorado has been near the basement in most advanced stats for years and play poor defensively.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Split98

Just his sketchy past (current?) is enough for be to want him far from this team

Domestic violence charges with his girlfriend right? I completely forgot about that!

[Split98]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Domestic violence charges with his girlfriend right? I completely forgot about that!

They were dropped I believe, so all charges at this point are 'alleged'

But...

[FlamesFanStrandedInEDM]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Report: Flames interested in acquiring all the goaltenders in the league.

That would be quite the "Process"

[Gaudfather]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Report: Flames interested in acquiring all the goaltenders in the league.

All your goalies are belong to us!

[TheScorpion]

I cannot wait for tomorrow afternoon. I bet a big trade will have gone down by 6:00.

[greyshep]

Pass.

Is that advanced stat sheet that keeps getting trotted out really the only gauge of a goalies abilities? I'd be interested to see how Kipper would have fared on a sheet like the one everyone seems to be using as their goalie desirability scale. Something tells me his numbers would have been average, but he was clutch at the most important times/games.

Here is my preference order currently...

Elliott
Bishop
Allen
Mrazek
Fleury
Varlamov
Reimer

[bigrangy]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

In defense of Varlomov's inconsistency Colorado has been near the basement in most advanced stats for years and play poor defensively.

one must also keep in mind that it has been proven that it is easier for goaltenders to put up better numbers (sv% mainly) when they face more shots per game.

the effect is not huge, but a goalie that faces 35 shots/game has a better chance of putting up good numbers than the goalie that faces 25, simply due to the fact that a goal against is usually a mistake on the part of the goalie, and most goalies will only make 2 to 3 mistakes per game.

32/35 saves is a lot better percentage than 22/25.

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I cannot wait for tomorrow afternoon. I bet a big trade will have gone down by 6:00.

I don't think so, based on the options that Treliving has at the draft with the 2nds in play. And if one option is using one or more of those 2nds to move up to #3 and get Puljujarvi, then nothing will happen until that particular decision is made clear - likely with CBJ on the clock Fri. If we don't get him, I'd start seeing what teams are offering for the 2nds.

[hockey.modern]

Yup, were more likely waiting to hear Bettman say "We have a trade to announce".

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by greyshep

Pass.

Is that advanced stat sheet that keeps getting trotted out really the only gauge of a goalies abilities? I'd be interested to see how Kipper would have fared on a sheet like the one everyone seems to be using as their goalie desirability scale. Something tells me his numbers would have been average, but he was clutch at the most important times/games.

Here is my preference order currently...

Elliott
Bishop
Allen
Mrazek
Fleury
Varlamov
Reimer

I like your list. I might drop Bishop a spot or two, but looks good

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

I just don't see this making sense for the Avs. Varlamov is their franchise goalie and puts up pretty good numbers in what could be considered a dumpster fire of a defense. Add in the rumors of Barrie going to be traded, and your left with a whole lot of nothing when it comes to stopping the puck. Johnson is the only top pairing guy left and who will play in net for them? Then the hunt is on for them to get a goalie. Do they have a decent defense without Barrie? I honestly don't watch the Avs enough to really know other then what I see on the stat sheet. But trading away your franchise #1 goalie screams of a step backwards for a team like them. The Avs are desperate to take the next step forward.

Unless they have a goalie in waiting or a backup who is ready to be ridden as a #1, I don't see why the Avs would do it.

The future of the Avs net is Pickard. If they elect to stay with Varly they either need to trade Pickard or lose him to expansion most likely for nothing. Or they can expose Varly and hope Vegas passes on him. Either way they have decisions to make as far as goaltending goes.