A Game of Thrones **BOOKS OFF LIMITS** v2

[Fuzz]

Maybe he feared if he shot John, Won Won would lunge forward in one step and kill him. As long as a giant isn't dead, he's still a huge threat. John was several human steps away.

[GGG]

If your logic is he should have shot Jon because he was a threat then the whole battle didn't need to happen. Instead of shooting Rickon he just takes out Jon. It was about punishing Jon. Fits his MO.

[GreenLantern]

Nah it is just lazy writing. I would have loved to be in the writing room when this one happened, "So Ramsay pulls back and lets loose on the giant, killing what was already dead in front of Jon!!!" "Shouldn't he just shoot Jon instead, because he didn't shoot him at the battle obviously because he was trying to enrage Jon to charge his forces forward into his trap. But now that he has lost the battle it is pretty clear unless he kills Jon snow he has no chance of holding Winterfell, taking out their commander is really his only hope (because in Jon's own words, he only needs to kill one!)" "For the last time shut up Frank with your logical ideas!!!" "Sorry sir"

And like how did Jon get there so fast? Ramsay had a massive head start on him and was on HORSE back, all we see is Jon, Tormund and the Giant running towards Winterfell then all of a sudden the gate bursts open and dozens of Wildlings are with them?

[Senator Clay Davis]

My biggest complaint about the Ramsey death was that it didn't happen two seasons sooner. Fair play to Iwan Rheon for doing a great job of making you hate the character, but the character was a boring, one dimensional, almost cartoonish character that did little or nothing to advance the overall plot. I know people enjoyed his death and found it satisfying (he should have been flayed alive instead IMO), but it should have happened sooner.

[GreenLantern]

Interesting tidbit, Iwan Rheon was runner up to play Jon Snow.

Cartoonish is a great descriptor for Ramsay. I really felt the hatred for Joffrey, they just nailed it with him. With Ramsay it always felt like they were trying just a little to hard.

[Fuzz]

And if he had been killed sooner, who would be holding Winterfell? Would Sansa have had to call on Littlefinger? It's all plot pieces. I don't think it is bad to have a one dimensional character of pure evil. We all knew his time was up, and it was fun to watch because they made you hate him so much.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by saillias

That was the 2nd continuity error of this episode. The other was Tyrion regarding Theon, who was completely wrong on how his convo went with Theon the last time they met. It was him mocking Theon in Winterfell in S1

They both mocked each other, Tyrion just get the better of Theon.

And in any regards, that's not really a continuity error as much as perspective and remembrance. It's been 5 years (or however long each season is) and Tyrion probably isn't going to recall the event as him being a dick as well, instead he'll remember Theon calling him The Imp as he leaves Winterfell...

[Pagal4321]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern

Nah it is just lazy writing. I would have loved to be in the writing room when this one happened, "So Ramsay pulls back and lets loose on the giant, killing what was already dead in front of Jon!!!" "Shouldn't he just shoot Jon instead, because he didn't shoot him at the battle obviously because he was trying to enrage Jon to charge his forces forward into his trap. But now that he has lost the battle it is pretty clear unless he kills Jon snow he has no chance of holding Winterfell, taking out their commander is really his only hope (because in Jon's own words, he only needs to kill one!)" "For the last time shut up Frank with your logical ideas!!!" "Sorry sir"

And like how did Jon get there so fast? Ramsay had a massive head start on him and was on HORSE back, all we see is Jon, Tormund and the Giant running towards Winterfell then all of a sudden the gate bursts open and dozens of Wildlings are with them?

You take a show about a fictional land with dragons WAY too seriously.

[Nyah]

To add to what Fuzz said, I think a huge chunk of Sansa's character development comes from the way she was treated by Ramsay. I don't know if she'd be just as strong and defiant as she is now if she didn't go through it.

[Finger Cookin]

We needed another boring, one dimensional, almost cartoonish character to loathe after Joffery died. It's no coincidence that Ramsay became more deplorable once joffery was gone.

[nik-]

Ramsay was way more one dimensional than Joffrey.

[Finger Cookin]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern

Nah it is just lazy writing. I would have loved to be in the writing room when this one happened, "So Ramsay pulls back and lets loose on the giant, killing what was already dead in front of Jon!!!" "Shouldn't he just shoot Jon instead, because he didn't shoot him at the battle obviously because he was trying to enrage Jon to charge his forces forward into his trap. But now that he has lost the battle it is pretty clear unless he kills Jon snow he has no chance of holding Winterfell, taking out their commander is really his only hope (because in Jon's own words, he only needs to kill one!)" "For the last time shut up Frank with your logical ideas!!!" "Sorry sir"

And like how did Jon get there so fast? Ramsay had a massive head start on him and was on HORSE back, all we see is Jon, Tormund and the Giant running towards Winterfell then all of a sudden the gate bursts open and dozens of Wildlings are with them?

Ramsay had absolutely zero chance of holding Winterfell when he shot Wun Wun, and that chance would have remained at zero had he shot Jon instead.

Talk about lazy posting.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Hey look at that, took less than 48 hours for the buzz killingtons to roll up in here and start crapping on everything...

I'm gonna start a GL drinking game. Every time he says "lazy writing" I'm gonna chug a bottle of johnny walker. I expect to be an alcoholic before the season finale even airs.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

And if he had been killed sooner, who would be holding Winterfell? Would Sansa have had to call on Littlefinger? It's all plot pieces. I don't think it is bad to have a one dimensional character of pure evil. We all knew his time was up, and it was fun to watch because they made you hate him so much.

Cersei is pure evil. She's also probably the deepest character in the show. So you can have evil characters that don't have to be caricatures. Ramsay was the exact same character when he died as when we were first introduced to him. Should have done more to make him interesting, or just have a more interesting character in his place.

Originally Posted by Nyah

To add to what Fuzz said, I think a huge chunk of Sansa's character development comes from the way she was treated by Ramsay. I don't know if she'd be just as strong and defiant as she is now if she didn't go through it.

I think Littlefinger has waaay more to do with her development. Sansa under Ramsay was just Theon without a #### (wait a minute...). Although I guess you could argue it allowed her to sympathize with Theon, who she should hate.

[GreenLantern]

And what was the deal with the wildling archers vs. the Bolton archers? Were those Storm Troopers dressed as Boltons? They literally couldn't do anything inside Winterfell but the Wildlings had time to run in, identify a target, take aim and let loose. Not missing a single shot either, lol.

Talk about careless transcribing.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Hey look at that, took less than 48 hours for the buzz killingtons to roll up in here and start crapping on everything...

I'm gonna start a GL drinking game. Every time he says "lazy writing" I'm gonna chug a bottle of johnny walker. I expect to be an alcoholic before the season finale even airs.

I'll expect you to be dead, if that is your criteria.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern

And what was the deal with the wildling archers vs. the Bolton archers? Were those Storm Troopers dressed as Boltons? They literally couldn't do anything inside Winterfell but the Wildlings had time to run in, identify a target, take aim and let loose. Not missing a single shot either, lol.

Talk about careless transcribing.

Probably a little distracted by a big ####ing giant.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Cersei is pure evil. She's also probably the deepest character in the show. So you can have evil characters that don't have to be caricatures. Ramsay was the exact same character when he died as when we were first introduced to him. Should have done more to make him interesting, or just have a more interesting character in his place.

And if Ramsey had been developed into a more dynamic character, you'd say "he's to much like Cersei" or someone else. You might even suggest he should have just been pure evil instead of ambiguously evil. It's OK to have a diverse cast. Ned Stark was basically to good for his own good, and it got him killed. Ramsey is the opposite. It is showing that anyone is vulnerable. The good, evil, and in between. I've got zero issues with the character, the plot points and the development.

[Inglewood Jack]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Cersei is pure evil.

she is not. Cersei's overwhelming motivation is to protect her children, which she does by any means necessary. if she was really evil, she wouldn't have tried to stop Ned's execution, and she would have been the one to order the death of Robert's extramarital kids and Tyrion as well. in fact, though she talks a good game, I'm having a hard time remembering how many significant deaths she's directly responsible for.

[GreenLantern]

Jon Arryn.