06-21-2016, 12:53 PM
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The Pens aren't going to lose Murray to the expansion draft. If they keep MAF and he won't waive his NMC for the draft, there would be several teams ready to trade something for Murray after next season prior to the expansion draft. This is assuming Murray has another stellar year.
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06-21-2016, 12:54 PM
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#162
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Join Date: Jul 2005
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Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan
Losing Murray to the expansion draft. That's what will happen if he chooses that route. The kid is probably the next upper tier goalie in the NHL.
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I wouldn't be opposed to Fleury being our goalie but there is a part of me that wants to see that play out that way. Rutherford waits to long and when he finally goes to move MAF at the end of next year there is no market at all for him. I will seriously laugh my head off.
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06-21-2016, 12:54 PM
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#163
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Plus... Bill Daly has straight up used Fleury as an example for which types of NMC need to be protected under the expansion draft. No way Rutherford is that dense. He knows he's the one over the barrel. Any more posturing after the draft rules are fully disclosed is just going to make him look foolish to any half-baked hockey mind.
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“Players holding no-movement clauses – including those modified by limited no-trades, such as Pittsburgh Penguins goalie Marc-Andre Fleury – count against the protection limit, provided that those contracts and clauses extend through the 2017-18 season."
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06-21-2016, 12:56 PM
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#164
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Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan
Losing Murray to the expansion draft. That's what will happen if he chooses that route. The kid is probably the next upper tier goalie in the NHL.
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They could trade Fleury between the end of next season and before the expansion draft, could they not?
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06-21-2016, 12:56 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2005
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Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy
The Pens aren't going to lose Murray to the expansion draft. If they keep MAF and he won't waive his NMC for the draft, there would be several teams ready to trade something for Murray after next season prior to the expansion draft. This is assuming Murray has another stellar year.
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There is about zero chance MAF will waive his NMC to be exposed to an expansion draft. Oh, I negotiated a NMC for stability here and now you want to trade me? Ok, here is my list, trade me. Oh, you decided not to trade me and now you want me to waive my NMC so I can be picked up by an expansion team that will be years from ever being competitive? Go F yourself.
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06-21-2016, 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988
They could trade Fleury between the end of next season and before the expansion draft, could they not?
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Yes, but at that point, right before the expansion draft, you would be begging teams to take his contract since it mandates protection and has a substantial cap hit for an older goalie. Return might be as bad as a 7th round conditional pick.
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06-21-2016, 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by dissentowner
There is about zero chance MAF will waive his NMC to be exposed to an expansion draft. Oh, I negotiated a NMC for stability here and now you want to trade me? Ok, here is my list, trade me. Oh, you decided not to trade me and now you want me to waive my NMC so I can be picked up by an expansion team that will be years from ever being competitive? Go F yourself.
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The expansion team has a better chance of being successful on the ice than it does off the ice. There is a ton of day-to-day operations that they will essentially have to learn on the fly. In my mind that would likely be the hardest part of joining an expansion team, not the on-ice product. Especially since the on-ice product stands a chance of being moderately successful.
All this to say, if players can avoid being picked by an expansion team, you'd think they'd want to.
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06-21-2016, 01:07 PM
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I believe in the Jays.
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Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988
They could trade Fleury between the end of next season and before the expansion draft, could they not?
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In theory. Except for the "what-ifs"...
What if Fluery has a bad year and no one wants him?
What if Fluery get's injured?
What if other teams are satisfied with their goaltending situation and don't want to force themselves to protect him?
What if the other teams decide that they'd rather have Murray so they let Pittsburgh screw themselves and try to negotiate with Vegas?
What if none of that happens and we work out a trade... but Fluery refuses to waive?
... that's a dangerous game to play.
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06-21-2016, 01:07 PM
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#169
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I feel like Rutherford was asking the Leafs for the 1st OA for Fleury, and just moved down the list when they got Andersen. Flames...6th OA!
One of the things that Rutherford seems to have forgotten is that there is a time value to assets as well; the longer he waits, the less he gets for Fleury because of the UFA market opening up on July 1, the season starting in the fall, and after that Vegas. And a little thing called Penguins' salary cap.
I'm hoping that BT threatened to take Rutherford off of his "friends and family" list.
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06-21-2016, 01:08 PM
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#170
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Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan
Yes, but at that point, right before the expansion draft, you would be begging teams to take his contract since it mandates protection and has a substantial cap hit for an older goalie. Return might be as bad as a 7th round conditional pick.
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True, but if they feel Murray/Fleury gives them the best shot at the cup, I'd say that outweighs a potential first round pick. Mind you, I think it's just posturing and they trade him (I wouldn't hang onto him).
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06-21-2016, 01:09 PM
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Jun 2008
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Is Bernier an option we would/should consider?
I assume the Leafs don't really want a $4million backup.
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06-21-2016, 01:10 PM
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What if MAF just exercises his rights to sit on his NMC, doesn't waive to go anywhere, doesn't waive for the Expansion draft. He would hold the Pens hostage come Expansion draft. That would be entertaining drama.
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06-21-2016, 01:13 PM
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Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by dissentowner
There is about zero chance MAF will waive his NMC to be exposed to an expansion draft. Oh, I negotiated a NMC for stability here and now you want to trade me? Ok, here is my list, trade me. Oh, you decided not to trade me and now you want me to waive my NMC so I can be picked up by an expansion team that will be years from ever being competitive? Go F yourself.
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Dissentowner ur bang on there.
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06-21-2016, 01:14 PM
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Just woke up, hah, this is ludicrous.
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06-21-2016, 01:21 PM
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What if MAF just exercises his rights to sit on his NMC, doesn't waive to go anywhere, doesn't waive for the Expansion draft. He would hold the Pens hostage come Expansion draft. That would be entertaining drama
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He already said he wants to start
This is the other factor. MAF will not want/accept being the backup. He was a great professional during the run, but you can bet his agent has already requested/demanded a trade.
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06-21-2016, 01:53 PM
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#176
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Remember when Mike Gillis kept holding out for more for Luongo?
Keep playing the game Rutherford. I'd love to see you lose both goalies.
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06-21-2016, 01:57 PM
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#177
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No chance Pittsburgh ends up losing Murray. Worst case, they have to buy out Fleury at the end of next season so they can protect Murray. That would cost them a ludicrous amount in cash and cap for several years after, and probably get Rutherford fired… but they would at least keep Murray.
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06-21-2016, 01:57 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
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Originally Posted by InCoGnEtO
What if MAF just exercises his rights to sit on his NMC, doesn't waive to go anywhere, doesn't waive for the Expansion draft. He would hold the Pens hostage come Expansion draft. That would be entertaining drama.
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His NMC has a partial NTC so he could only do that to a certain extent. I can't see him doing that though, everything seems to point to him being a reasonable quality guy.
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06-21-2016, 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Jay Random
No chance Pittsburgh ends up losing Murray. Worst case, they have to buy out Fleury at the end of next season so they can protect Murray. That would cost them a ludicrous amount in cash and cap for several years after, and probably get Rutherford fired… but they would at least keep Murray.
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Isn't the buyout period after the expansion draft? They either buy him out this season, trade him, or keep him and lose Murray.
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06-21-2016, 02:06 PM
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Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: The toilet of Alberta : Edmonton
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Originally Posted by dissentowner
His NMC has a partial NTC so he could only do that to a certain extent. I can't see him doing that though, everything seems to point to him being a reasonable quality guy.
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He could provide teams on his list that have 0 need for him. Teams like MTL, LA, MIN, NYR, etc. would really have Rutherford over the barrel then.
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