06-21-2016, 11:16 AM
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#141
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Calgary
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Flames also want Auston Matthews for Dennis Wideman.
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06-21-2016, 11:17 AM
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#142
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
Marginally better than post knee being blown out Ramo? You really think Treliving is even entertaining the gamble of going back to a duo that failed them last season? I don't.
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Agreed. I'm pretty sure Ramo is no where near the top of the Flames' list of UFAs.
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06-21-2016, 11:27 AM
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#143
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Celebrated Square Root Day
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nm read wrong
Last edited by jayswin; 06-21-2016 at 11:45 AM.
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06-21-2016, 11:38 AM
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#144
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: The Bay Area
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Originally Posted by jayswin
What???????? I would drive the 60A pick to the airport for Carey Price. Text, my goodness, your Flames slanted view of value is insane, man.  |
Since when was he talking about Carey Price?
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06-21-2016, 11:46 AM
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#145
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Celebrated Square Root Day
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Originally Posted by the2bears
Since when was he talking about Carey Price?
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I read the wrong OP, going too quick. I thought he was responding to the "Price and Holtby are the only goalies worth 6OA" post.
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06-21-2016, 11:47 AM
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#146
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tromboner
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: where the lattes are
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Originally Posted by Ashasx
Reimer is better in every category except low danger save%, which is probably the least important.
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A goalie who lets in low danger shots is hard to compensate for with team defence - just saying.
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06-21-2016, 11:54 AM
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#147
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SebC
A goalie who lets in low danger shots is hard to compensate for with team defence - just saying.
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Low danger save percentages varies between around 96% to 98% NHL goalie to NHL goalie
Medium danger save percentages varies between around 90% to 95% NHL goalie to NHL goalie
High danger save percentages varies between around 76% to 90% NHL goalie to NHL goalie
Give me a goalie with a 96% low danger save percentage, a 95% medium danger save percentage, and a 90% high danger save percentage over a goalie with a 100% low danger save percentage, 90% medium danger, 80% high danger save percentage.
And because low danger save percentages even for "bad" goalies are so high, low danger save percentage really gets lost in the noise as so many things can cause the extremely slight variations in it needed to get to the lower end of the range (such as.. dumb luck)
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06-21-2016, 12:37 PM
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#148
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Calgary
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Chris Johnston @reporterchris 23s23 seconds ago
Jim Rutherford says he can envision both Fleury and Murray returning to #pens next season. Adds that he's not aggressively shopping Fleury.
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06-21-2016, 12:38 PM
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#149
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Calgary - Transplanted Manitoban
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Am I the only one who is completely comfortable with Ortio as a dependable backup? I would be just fine with him backing up MAF/Bishop/Reimer, and getting 20-30 starts.
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06-21-2016, 12:39 PM
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#150
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Calgary, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dammage79
Chris Johnston @reporterchris 23s23 seconds ago
Jim Rutherford says he can envision both Fleury and Murray returning to #pens next season. Adds that he's not aggressively shopping Fleury.
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Of course that's what he's saying.. 
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06-21-2016, 12:41 PM
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#151
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by InCoGnEtO
Am I the only one who is completely comfortable with Ortio as a dependable backup? I would be just fine with him backing up MAF/Bishop/Reimer, and getting 20-30 starts.
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Nope you're not the only one. I am fine with that as well.
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06-21-2016, 12:43 PM
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#152
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Self-Retired
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Originally Posted by InCoGnEtO
Am I the only one who is completely comfortable with Ortio as a dependable backup? I would be just fine with him backing up MAF/Bishop/Reimer, and getting 20-30 starts.
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Nope. And the more I see the demands from other GM's on some of these goalies, the more i support pursuing Riemer as a stop-gap.
I was quite against Riemer too. I've actually surprised myself the fact I've warmed to the idea.
Stay the course, don't mortgage the future for a goalie. Pick one up before the expassion draft.
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06-21-2016, 12:43 PM
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#153
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Scoring Winger
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Rutherford seems like the kind of guy I'd like to play poker with.
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06-21-2016, 12:45 PM
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#154
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Calgary - Transplanted Manitoban
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Now would be an awesome time for MAF to demand a trade.
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06-21-2016, 12:45 PM
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#155
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Boca Raton, FL
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dammage79
Chris Johnston @reporterchris 23s23 seconds ago
Jim Rutherford says he can envision both Fleury and Murray returning to #pens next season. Adds that he's not aggressively shopping Fleury.
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Posturing through the media.
He can't truly be dense enough to not realize that he risks losing Murray to the expansion draft since MAF has a NMC that requires protection (unless that rule has changed yet again), and he's also under a serious cap crunch. Currently $2-3 million over the projected cap without doing anything. Teams are offering to take Fleury off his hands, removing both his $5.75 M cap hit for 3 more years and his NMC. Also leave young Murray as the undisputed starter going forward and they can protect him in the expansion draft without any worries.
If you're in his shoes, you get whatever you can reasonably expect the market to bear and get Fleury's diminishing value contract off the books ASAP. Seeing Andersen's value the other day should tell you that you aren't going to get much more than that, so take it and run. Asking for the moon will put you in Jim Benning territory: On the outside looking in.
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06-21-2016, 12:47 PM
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#156
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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These few days before the draft are the worst as we have to endure the eye rolling, lame posturing by GM's. Can't wait for Friday.
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06-21-2016, 12:49 PM
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#157
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Salmon with Arms
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan
Posturing through the media.
He can't truly be dense enough to not realize that he risks losing Murray to the expansion draft since MAF has a NMC that requires protection (unless that rule has changed yet again), and he's also under a serious cap crunch. Currently $2-3 million over the projected cap without doing anything. Teams are offering to take Fleury off his hands, removing both his $5.75 M cap hit for 3 more years and his NMC. Also leave young Murray as the undisputed starter going forward and they can protect him in the expansion draft without any worries.
If you're in his shoes, you get whatever you can reasonably expect the market to bear and get Fleury's diminishing value contract off the books ASAP. Seeing Andersen's value the other day should tell you that you aren't going to get much more than that, so take it and run. Asking for the moon will put you in Jim Benning territory: On the outside looking in.
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Don't disagree except, what if the couple second rounders they'd get for Fleury are not as good as having a good backup for one more kick at a cup?
Pittsburgh doesn't lose Fleury for nothing, they do get one year of a high quality back up for another run at the cup. What's that worth?
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06-21-2016, 12:50 PM
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#158
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Boca Raton, FL
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist
Don't disagree except, what if the couple second rounders they'd get for Fleury are not as good as having a good backup for one more kick at a cup?
Pittsburgh doesn't lose Fleury for nothing, they do get one year of a high quality back up for another run at the cup. What's that worth?
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Losing Murray to the expansion draft. That's what will happen if he chooses that route. The kid is probably the next upper tier goalie in the NHL.
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06-21-2016, 12:51 PM
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#159
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Salmon with Arms
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan
Losing Murray to the expansion draft. That's what will happen if he chooses that route. The kid is probably the next upper tier goalie in the NHL.
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Right. Forgot they can't protect Murray with Fleury's NMC
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06-21-2016, 12:53 PM
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#160
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan
Losing Murray to the expansion draft. That's what will happen if he chooses that route. The kid is probably the next upper tier goalie in the NHL.
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The only kicker will be if Fleury indicates that he will be willing to waive his NMC to allow the Pens to expose him in the expansion draft.
Team could feel that lots of goalies will be available and maybe he won't get selected anyways, he also maybe doesn't mind going to Vegas for a couple seasons and potentially would want a shot to win another cup with this group.
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