[Rumour] Francis: Penguins want 6th OA for Fleury

[GGG]

I would just leave the offer as one of our late 2nds and a tier 2 prospect and be comfortable in getting Reimer for 1 or 2 years at 4.5. I might even trade my 7th to the leafs to talk with Reimer just to put pressure on Pittsburgh to take the late 2nd.

[Toonage]

Reimer plays for the Sharks.

[jmac98]

Originally Posted by GGG

I would just leave the offer as one of our late 2nds and a tier 2 prospect and be comfortable in getting Reimer for 1 or 2 years at 4.5. I might even trade my 7th to the leafs to talk with Reimer just to put pressure on Pittsburgh to take the late 2nd.

A steal for Toronto.

[dammage79]

If those are the prices, trade down, add a pick to COL #6 and #56 to COL for #10 and Varlamov. Everyone wins.

The NHL knows they have CGY over a barrel and they're gonna make them pay.

[Dan403]

Originally Posted by dammage79

The NHL knows they have CGY over a barrel and they're gonna make them pay.

LOL. So much laughter.

Over the barrel when Calgary can just wait until free agency and sign Reimer for zero cost?

Really? Do you even read your posts?

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by dammage79

If those are the prices, trade down, add a pick to COL #6 and #56 to COL for #10 and Varlamov. Everyone wins.

The NHL knows they have CGY over a barrel and they're gonna make them pay.

lol

Calgary couldn't be in a much stronger position (one buyer, multiple potential sellers). I hope your real job doesn't involve negotiations.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by dammage79

If those are the prices, trade down, add a pick to COL #6 and #56 to COL for #10 and Varlamov. Everyone wins.

The NHL knows they have CGY over a barrel and they're gonna make them pay.

How so? There are multiple trade partner options, and at least one UFA option who isn't a huge step down in talent level. With Anderson gone, it give us one less option, but also takes away a trading partner for goalies in TO.

[Weitz]

Do any of the trade option really have to trade a goalie this offseason? I don't think so. But the Flames NEED a goalie this offseason.

I don't think the NHL has the flames "over a barrel" though.

[Dan403]

Originally Posted by Weitz

Do any of the trade option really have to trade a goalie this offseason? I don't think so. But the Flames NEED a goalie this offseason.

I don't think the NHL has the flames "over a barrel" though.

They don't HAVE to trade a goalie now. But as the expansion draft gets closer, the pressure to move a goalie or lose a goalie for zero return will increase. As that pressure increases, the value decreases.

Teams with two goalies that need protection are on the clock with diminishing assets.

[theg69]

If that's anywhere close to the price the Pens are demanding - that's a huge pass on Fleury for me.

Fleury gets all the media attention but if you look at stats last year - the save percentage and GAA are nearly identical between Fleury, Reimer, and Andersen (2.29, 2.31, 2.30, and .921, .922, and .919).

Reimer is almost 4 years younger and will demand a lower cap hit than Fleury - esp since if he wants to be a starter, Calgary is the only team he can go to.

Again, not saying Reimer is the savior or anything, but he remains the best option for the team at this time.

I would also love to see the Pens sweat with 2 goalies heading into the expansion draft.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Weitz

Do any of the trade option really have to trade a goalie this offseason? I don't think so. But the Flames NEED a goalie this offseason.

I don't think the NHL has the flames "over a barrel" though.

Just the Penguins IMO.

They cannot risk going into next offseason with Fleury needing to be protected in the expansion draft due to his NMC.

Unless the have agreement from Fleury that he will waive his NMC to allow them to expose them in the expansion draft.

[dammage79]

Well if all trade options are explored and the door is closed on better options than Reimer then yes, teams have the Flames over a barrel. There's no strong stance here for the Flames. Insulting the thought is one thing but not understanding that Reimer isn't the best option is another. So what if he is a free Asset, does he make the team much better? Debatable. And if thats the case, then trade for his rights and get this done. If you're going to argue that using a 5th or 6th round pick is stupid when you can just have him for free later, save it.

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by dammage79

If those are the prices, trade down, add a pick to COL #6 and #56 to COL for #10 and Varlamov. Everyone wins.

The NHL knows they have CGY over a barrel and they're gonna make them pay.

So there's this thing in the world of economics called "Supply and Demand".

Here's the theory. If you have a large supply and little demand, the price drops.

If you have little supply and large demand, the price goes up.

Which one of these scenarios would you feel best describe the Flames situation?

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Weitz

Do any of the trade option really have to trade a goalie this offseason? I don't think so. But the Flames NEED a goalie this offseason.

I don't think the NHL has the flames "over a barrel" though.

None need to trade, but the salient point is that none have leverage to demand a high return.

They can ask for the moon, but the Flames simply move on.

The Flames don't need every team to accept a lower offer, they just need one of them to.

[CaptainCrunch]

Sonny Weaver Jr.: I want my picks back, and I want David god damn Putney, just because I feel like it.

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Well if all trade options are explored and the door is closed on better options than Reimer then yes, teams have the Flames over a barrel. There's no strong stance here for the Flames. Insulting the thought is one thing but not understanding that Reimer isn't the best option is another. So what if he is a free Asset, does he make the team much better? Debatable. And if thats the case, then trade for his rights and get this done. If you're going to argue that using a 5th or 6th round pick is stupid when you can just have him for free later, save it.

The reasoning behind going after Riemer if all other options are too costly is that we can use a cheap stop-gap until either

a) the Flames find a #1 who they feel is worth the price or
b) one of their goalies in the system are ready or
C) they find another goalie on the open market or in a forced trade situation (expansion draft right around the corner) and get a goalie for cents on the dollar.

The Flames are far from being hand-cuffed.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Good starting point, have to start high.

If this thing settles on a 2nd and a prospect like Poirier that'll do just fine.

[DionTheDman]

Just because it was asked for doesn't mean it will happen. I mean, you never know what the other GM is thinking. Exhibit A - Reto Berra. Who would have thought he'd be worth a second round pick? Anyone?

That's how it works. You ask for the world. So does the other side. Then you settle somewhere in the middle.

[SuperMatt18]

Reimer had the highest even strength save percentage in the NHL last year, the 9th best home plate save percentage, and can be acquired for no cost (goalies with more than 30 starts).

Just trade a 6th rounder for the guys rights and get him signed already.

Then let these other GMs realize that they have no teams left to try and shed a goaltender.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Well if all trade options are explored and the door is closed on better options than Reimer then yes, teams have the Flames over a barrel. There's no strong stance here for the Flames. Insulting the thought is one thing but not understanding that Reimer isn't the best option is another. So what if he is a free Asset, does he make the team much better? Debatable. And if thats the case, then trade for his rights and get this done. If you're going to argue that using a 5th or 6th round pick is stupid when you can just have him for free later, save it.

Reimer is better than any goalie we had last season. He's not the best option of goalies available by trade in talent level, but as far as value goes, he likely is.

Your options are:

- Pay a decent price for Bishop's rights, who is a UFA and will command a good salary and term in FA. Not to mention that Tampa could just decide they want to keep him and sign him, which drives up the price for him. He's the best of the group available, but not by a huge margin, and his price will be the highest (maybe not to get his rights, but overall when factoring in a new contract).

- Trade for Fleury. Making more than he's worth and will likely cost a couple of half decent draft picks at least. He's not really been much better than Reimer for the past few seasons and will cost assets to obtain and more cap for probably similar term.

- Pay Reimer as a UFA. Likely getting under 5 mil as his options are limited and CGY is his only chance at a starting role. He probably takes whatever the Flames offer him to be honest that's even in the realm of reasonable. I'd say 4 mil for 2-3 years.

So while the league may see CGYs situation and try to take advantage, there's kind of a trump card in Reimer, which makes CGY's position pretty strong if the other teams want any assets in return for their tenders. He is the option I prefer because I really think whoever we bring in is basically a stop-gap for Gillies, and I don't want to shell out assets, big $$ or big term for something that I believe we have in the pipeline in pretty short order.