[Rumour] Flames aggressively trying to move up. UPD: Treliving and Kekelainen meeting on floor

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by Mike F

If Columbus wants Bennett as the return for the 3OA, they better not also be asking for the 6OA or they're going to look like amateurs.

Bennett was the 4OA pick 2 years ago, and has done nothing to disappoint. That's not the kind of piece any credible GM suggests as the price to move down three spots.

Bennett > 3OA. It's not like Columbus is in the driver's seat if Bennett is in the conversation. If it was a remote possibility that Bennett is in play it would be Columbus chasing the Flames for a deal not the other way around.

[Samonadreau]

^Re:Vinny01

I still think it would take Clarkson's Albatros on steroids contract. If I'm wrong I would do that deal in a heartbeat.

[Enoch Root]

Even if one thinks that Puljujarvi is as good as Bennett, he still is riskier, due simply to age. Then there is the fact that Cs are more valuable.

Backlund is NOT a substitute for Bennett. Not in any way, shape or form. Backlund is an excellent 3rd line C. Yes, there will probably come a time when we can't afford him. And at that time, he will bring a nice return.

But there is no way in hell you move Bennett because you have Backlund. That's like saying you can move Gaudreau because you have Shinkaruk and Nylander.

Lunacy. And there is no way Treliving gives it a moment's thought.

[N-E-B]

Originally Posted by kehatch

Any trade proposal that involves getting the 3 overall pick is going to turn off most CPers because it will involve giving up something we don't want to give up.

Personally I would have to think long and hard over that move and I am not sure I would do it. I really like Bennett. But it is worth considering.

As for depth, the Flames can't afford to keep all of Backlund, Bennett, and Monahan so one of them is getting moved before Backlund goes UFA and that isn't far off. This move spreads out your ELC and let's you extend Backlund.

If that's the case then the Flames should be trading Backlund as a rental and signing Bennett long term. I understand you have to give up quality to get quality, but Bennett is too much quality to give up in my opinion.

[kehatch]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

If that's the case then the Flames should be trading Backlund as a rental and signing Bennett long term. I understand you have to give up quality to get quality, but Bennett is too much quality to give up in my opinion.

Which is why I am not sold on the trade and am just throwing it out there.

That said, Bennett got the bulk of his production on the wing. Much of it next to Backlund ironically (funny how many players produce next to him). If the Flames project him as a winger (and I am not saying they do) that might sway things.

Adding Puljujarvi and Hartnell to RW, losing Wideman, and still selecting at 6 would go a long way in moving the club forward. Even with the loss of Bennett.

[dammage79]

Please refence the Hamilton trade before we all go saying with a certain amount of certainty that any trade for a high value asset is going to cost the Bennetts and the Gio's or Brodies or Monahans or Gaudreaus.


This trading up to #3 talk is a mirror image of he Hamilton discussion prior to last years draft. Then reality hit.

Fan expectations and reality are two very different things and history shows it.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Please refence the Hamilton trade before we all go saying with a certain amount of certainty that any trade for a high value asset is going to cost the Bennetts and the Gio's or Brodies or Monahans or Gaudreaus.


This trading up to #3 talk is a mirror image of he Hamilton discussion prior to last years draft. Then reality hit.

Fan expectations and reality are two very different things and history shows it.

Difference being there were offer sheet threats and Boston had to do something. Here Columbus controls their destiny regardless. Apples and oranges.

[Crumpy-Gunt]

Bennett for 3rd OA seems stupid to me.

[browna]

Total random:

Gio to Leafs, JVR+ to Flames, JVR+Backlund+6OA to CLB for 3OA + Hartnell+

Flames end up with something from Leafs, Hartnell, maybe another CLB minor prospect and 3OA. Give up the captain (and Backlund) but the Leafs would be looking for a Gio leader and captain. CLB gets a player with same cap hit as they are dropping in Hartnell, but 7 years younger in JVR (and Backlund).

Flames get out very early in Gio's contract...well worth it now, maybe not so in years 3+ but Leafs won't worry about that if they've got a hometown bonifide captain in the ranks to help a young team. Plus Hartnell which brings some grit...as far as the potential other CLB and Leaf player, who knows.
Or, it could be simpler, without some of the peices mentioned.

Flame away, don't do these very often...it would be a surprise, but not a total shock, if we see Gio move IMO...and the Leafs would likely be (the) one team he'd waive for.

[GoJetsGo]

Came here to post that despite Columbus maybe asking for Bennett, no one here is that far out to lunch to suggest they think it's a good idea... and then the last page happened.

Dumbfounding. No chance we trade Bennett. That's two steps back in an attempt to take one forward.

We'd be hard after #3 to fill an organization hole. Not create another one in the process.

[blender]

Originally Posted by browna

Total random:

Gio to Leafs, JVR+ to Flames, JVR+Backlund+6OA to CLB for 3OA + Hartnell+

Flames end up with something from Leafs, Hartnell, maybe another CLB minor prospect and 3OA. Give up the captain (and Backlund) but the Leafs would be looking for a Gio leader and captain. CLB gets a player with same cap hit as they are dropping in Hartnell, but 7 years younger in JVR (and Backlund).

Flames get out very early in Gio's contract...well worth it now, maybe not so in years 3+ but Leafs won't worry about that if they've got a hometown bonifide captain in the ranks to help a young team. Plus Hartnell which brings some grit...as far as the potential other CLB and Leaf player, who knows.
Or, it could be simpler, without some of the peices mentioned.

Flame away, don't do these very often...it would be a surprise, but not a total shock, if we see Gio move IMO...and the Leafs would likely be (the) one team he'd waive for.

Why not throw in Monahan and Gaudreau as well?

[Jason14h]

Words can not describe that trade ! Unless the + from leafs was the number one pick !

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by browna

Total random:

Gio to Leafs, JVR+ to Flames

Awful. Just awful.

First of all, it decimates our blue line. Second, JVR has two seasons left before he's UFA which really devalues him, especially if we were going to (inexplicably) acquire him just to flip him. Third, Columbus is looking to free cap space to sign Jones and is on the record as saying they're looking to acquire a young centre and shed salary.

That proposal is a train wreck from every angle.

[DomeFoam]

18 goals in his rookie season. The fact that Bennett is even being mentioned makes me sick to my stomach. Make it stop

[browna]

Haha. Ok, Bennett for the 3rd it is then.

I like Gio, and think he's a great defenseman. But is he worth $6.75 for the next 5 years? When he's not worth that value, he's probably not tradeable. As I said, he fits the Leafs and the way Babcock will want to go right away this year with the young guys they have up front.

Not JVR, fine...pick another Leaf that they're willing to give up, and that CLB will want. Gio won't want to go to CLB straight up, and some 3 way would achieve getting that asset to pry #3 from CLB if the Flames don't want to give up a younger forward.

Decimate the defense? There's still Brodie, everyone's expecting Hamilton to turn into a total player in the next couple seasons, along with the other guys hopefully knocking on the door like Jokkipakka. Sure, it would take a hit, but we're not exactly chock full of talented forwards that would play on most team's top 2 lines...we've got 3 that fit the bill with Hudler now gone. Removing one, like Bennett, to get the forward you're picking at #3 is a step back. I don't think CLB is going to want Backlund, Colborne and Bouma as a package either.

You're going to have to give up something to get something...and as much as you'd hope Treliving to pull magic beans out like the Hamilton deal (IMO, I still think the Oilers were going to offer sheet him, and no way the Bruins wanted to give him to Chirelli, so to the Flames he goes) CLB holds all the cards with #3 and no reason to let that go.

[GoJetsGo]

Yes, decimate the defense. Gio has put up back to back career seasons and is currently one of the best all-around defenders in the league. I get the fear his play may drop off toward the end of his contract, but he has several years at the top of his game left. There is and should be no urgency to move him.

Another suggestion that creates a massive hole in an attempt to possibly fill one, albeit an extremely unrealistic one.

If you don't think a deal between Calgary and Columbus is possible that's fine to say so. This thread is just speculation and if a deal doesn't make sense, it doesn't make sense.

No need to go off the rails suggesting a massive multi player deal between Calgary, Toronto and Columbus that would need to happen in the next 72 hours and would rip apart our blue-line. It's just not feasible or realistic.

[DoubleK]

Wow did this thread ever go off the rails.


Ps. I'm glad Enoch Root doesn't work in the front office.

[browna]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

If you don't think a deal between Calgary and Columbus is possible that's fine to say so. This thread is just speculation and if a deal doesn't make sense, it doesn't make sense.

No need to go off the rails suggesting a massive multi player deal between Calgary, Toronto and Columbus that would need to happen in the next 72 hours and would rip apart our blue-line. It's just not feasible or realistic.

It is a speculation thread, one that takes one of the Flames assets that it may take to get Columbus to move, indirectly.

Though through 6 pages I haven't seen any suggestions or speculation from you on what it may take to get #3 from CLB, so not quite sure where the talking down/indignation comes from.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by browna

It is a speculation thread, one that takes one of the Flames assets that it may take to get Columbus to move, indirectly.

Though through 6 pages I haven't seen any suggestions or speculation from you on what it may take to get #3 from CLB, so not quite sure where the talking down/indignation comes from.

As I said, not an improbable, nonsensical multi-player 3-way trade with Toronto. No indignation or down-talking at all, it's just an extremely irrational and confusing suggestion and those are always met with a perplexed reaction. No need to take it personally.

I have no idea what Columbus would want, and trying to assert a package isn't a prerequisite to participate in the discussion.

From what's been said by their GM, it sounds like a high pick, a young centre and shedding salary is the starting point.

[FlameZilla]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

Difference being there were offer sheet threats and Boston had to do something. Here Columbus controls their destiny regardless. Apples and oranges.

They are, however, nearly in cap Hell and desperately need to clear some space to sign Seth Jones, who is vulnerable to an offer sheet. Columbus have to act relatively fast at the draft to make sure they can get Jones signed ASAP.

Ditching Hartnell's cap hit will be a pretty attractive proposition, though Hartnell as a player still holds some value in a trade.

Ditching Clarkson is a home run for them, but I would hope Treliving doesn't go anywhere near that contract.

I genuinely believe a deal centred around Hartnell + #3 is going to work for the Flames and Blue Jackets. They'll need a cheaper replacement for Hartnell and I believe Ferland would fit that bill. They need help on C and Backlund fits that bill, but if we could pawn them Colborne instead I believe it would be better for the Flames. Tack on 1 or 2 2nd round picks and I believe it's more than fair value and pretty attractive to Columbus.

The maximum I would give up (for 3rd overall + Hartnell at full salary):

6th overall + 2 2nd round picks + Backlund + Ferland

What I think could get er done:

6th overall + a 2nd round pick + Colborne + Ferland

If they want Bennett and that's the deal breaker then I'm pretty happy to stick at 6th and worst case scenario is we get Nylander. Dubois could fall that far. Bennett is NOT on the table for this.