2016 NHL Draft

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by AC

Hahah, I don't think those are fair interpretations. Maybe Brown at 13 since that one is quite short, the other 3 all look near identical in length.



Heck, what if those are the defence rankings?

4. Juolevi
8. Chychrun
6. Sergachyev
13. Bean

Biggest take away here is who is slotted in at #5. Has to be a D. Only question is, which one?

[Da_Chief]

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[Flames Draft Watcher]

Interesting chart of pick values

[the_only_turek_fan]

Originally Posted by icecube

How could anyone not want Tkachuk? Watching his highlights blew me away. He's so solid down low and just attacks the front of the net with authority. I don't want him anywhere near the Oilers. That guy is going to be a winner. For the love of God I hope they trade that pick or take a d man.

Oh if Tkachuk is there at 6, I would love to get him.

If it goes like the following:
AM
PL
JP
MT
PLD

Then at 6, Nylander is my guy. We need skill and offence.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Interesting chart of pick values

So to trade up to 3rd, the Flames would need to offer the 6th, two 2nds, and a 4th. But of course the trade would be more complex than that.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

So to trade up to 3rd, the Flames would need to offer the 6th, two 2nds, and a 4th. But of course the trade would be more complex than that.

I think you're reading it wrong. That's too much.

Here's the value chart used: http://statsportsconsulting.com/main..._Schuckers.pdf


According to that, the #3 pick has a value of 809 and #6 is 594. To make up the difference, the Flames would need to add picks with a total value of 215.

• Picks 35 (152) and 66 (96) have a total value of 248.
• Picks 35 (152) and 96 (68) have a total value of 220.
• Picks 54 (117) and 66 (96) have a total value of 213.

If the teams weigh the value of picks in a similar manner, one of those would likely be the combination the Flames would have to give up to make the move.

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by Matty81

Man... Interesting for us to see but whoever in the flames video dpt thought it was ok to air even a blurred version of their draft list the week of the draft... Feel bad for them, at least in my job that would not end well for our communications people.

Could be a bluff too

[Matty81]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

Could be a bluff too

Hope so... better than accidentally letting part of your draft list go public 5 days out, feels like something from the Feaster era.

Trying to dupe the Canucks into passing on Dubois and taking one of the dmen, by planting doubts and suggest another team has him #8? Seems like a pretty elaborate hoax and unlikely to work anyway. Maybe more likely the con would be trying to get Arizona or Buffalo to trade up thinking their dman might be done. I think they actually just unintentionally leaked the list though.

[Ashasx]

nm

[activeStick]

The leak doesn't seem like a big deal... It's from May so likely not the final ranking and with the projected rank out of order in the list with 8 above 6, it's obvious the list is sorted by a trait which we don't see... I wonder what trait it is they're viewing that has whoever they have pegged at 8 overall is higher than the guy they have at 6?

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by activeStick

The leak doesn't seem like a big deal... It's from May so likely not the final ranking and with the projected rank out of order in the list with 8 above 6, it's obvious the list is sorted by a trait which we don't see... I wonder what trait it is they're viewing that has whoever they have pegged at 8 overall is higher than the guy they have at 6?

"Hockey IQ", it's in another frame I believe.

[FlameZilla]

Originally Posted by activeStick

The leak doesn't seem like a big deal... It's from May so likely not the final ranking and with the projected rank out of order in the list with 8 above 6, it's obvious the list is sorted by a trait which we don't see... I wonder what trait it is they're viewing that has whoever they have pegged at 8 overall is higher than the guy they have at 6?

That might explain why Dubois is rated relatively low (8). Hasn't he rocketed up the rankings in the last few months?

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I saw that in the video. Outside of Nylander (Because of RW monkier) It's near impossible to pinpoint any of the names HF is trying to dig up. And to add a little more, there's good reason to believe that was their list on the 1st day of their amateur scout meetings and they hammered it our very differently by the end of the week. then again that could be the final look. But the way the raknings are sparsed out, not likely.

Further complicating things didn't Nylander play LW last season although he shoots right. Also I read that Dubois prefers RW if not playing centre although he shoots left.

[FCAV]

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[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

Further complicating things didn't Nylander play LW last season although he shoots right. Also I read that Dubois prefers RW if not playing centre although he shoots left.

Yeah I was going to say this as well. Dubois plays all 3 positions and has said in interviews he slightly prefers RW. Really hard to assume for the Flames that Dubois must be listed as a LW. Nylander is listed as a LW/RW and sometimes as a LW, sometimes as a RW. Very ambiguous for both. The Flames scouts may list them as what the kids prefer to play, what the scouts project them as, who knows.

Hard to say much of anything based on those blurred out names but Dubois at #6 and Nylander at #8 seems more reasonable to me. It's hard for me to imagine the Flames having Dubois at #8 with Nylander ahead of him but I guess anything is possible. But if you look closely the name at 6 looks longer and I think Pierre-Luc Dubois is longer than Alex Nylander.

The rumour that we're trying to trade up into the top 4 does make a lot of sense to me.

[1qqaaz]

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Interesting that only 10% of people think the Oilers should take the best forward.

[Poe969]

i wish there was a "other" option with a write in....draft Katz jr. would win hands down

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by Poe969

i wish there was a "other" option with a write in....draft Katz jr. would win hands down

Is it his draft year already? Wasn't he just a little kid when their rebuild started?

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

Further complicating things didn't Nylander play LW last season although he shoots right. Also I read that Dubois prefers RW if not playing centre although he shoots left.

The image shows 20s in all categories, which seems unlikely for any player. The is just a screenshot of the app at some early stage or even someone giving a demo. I'm reading nothing into it

[Samonadreau]

Per Bob McKenzie on tsn 1260 this am:

1st tier:
Matthews
Laine

2nd:
Pull-an-RV

3rd:
Tkachuck
Dubois
Nylander
Joulevi

4th:
Long list.

Also reaffirmed that Calgary is trying (or at least has tried) to move up to 3rd.

Edit: should also mention he singled out Keller as being a potential stud.