Your Flames off-season nightmare scenario

[oldschoolcalgary]

not addressing the goalie situation and picking a dman at 6 would be a nightmare...

there needs to be some skill injected into this lineup to help out bennett...hell, i am not a logan brown fan at all, but i'd be happier with him than another dman.

MAF... the pen fans think they can get a 1st for him, but at his age and salary, i think it would be a huge fail for the GM of a team that gave him that. A mid second and maybe a mid tier prospect is the most i'd even consider to give for MAF...

and only if that prospect is Hanowski...

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

That's a very fair point on MAF. The cost of acquisition could absolutely turn into a nightmare.

I know this was brought up many times before in the expansion thread, but what is the deal in Pittsburg. If they keep MAF are the forced to protect him in the expansion draft, and therefore be forced to expose Murray (as we understand the rules at this point) or are they just at risk of losing him to LV for nothing (assuming they want to protect Murray).

It's still not 100% certain.

But the speculation is that he will likely have to be protected (which would expose Murray).

Even if that were the case, it sounds like they will allow players with NMCs to waive if they choose.

If he has to be protected, and he won't waive, then they absolutely have to trade him, or trade Murray.

But having said that, they could still wait until next summer to deal with it.

[TrevorKidd37]

Best (non nightmare) situation
Draft: Nylander
Trade for: Bishop (if you can extend him)
Sign: no UFAs
Camp: Poirier makes a big splash

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

...I know this was brought up many times before in the expansion thread, but what is the deal in Pittsburg. If they keep MAF are the forced to protect him in the expansion draft, and therefore be forced to expose Murray (as we understand the rules at this point) or are they just at risk of losing him to LV for nothing (assuming they want to protect Murray)...

I don't think it is all as cut-and-dried as that. I realise that Matt Murray is coming off of an excellent performance in the playoffs, but I suspect that the Penguins management are a little reticent to install him as their starting goalie with no fail-safe in place. Murray has less than 35 games of NHL experience, and has not played +40 games in a season at any point in his professional career. Rutherford is the same GM who watched Cam Ward turn a single impressive playoff run into a very expensive contract that produced middling returns. He is probably leery of history repeating itself in this instance, and I believe him when he says that he wants to do what he can to keep Fleury on the team. I would imagine an ideal scenario for the Penguins would be to keep Fleury and to move him at the TD if Murray shows that he is ready to be the #1 guy.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Picking a defenseman at 6th would IMO be major failure by the organization. There's simply not a positive spin you can put on that as I don't want to hear how you can stock them and trade them as trades are due to inability to draft properly and address organizational depth...

Oh, the hyperbole. "No positive spin"? "Inability to draft properly"?

Here's a positive spin: Drafting a defenseman could mean drafting the best player available. Trading from an organisational strength to address weaknesses is a sign of excellent management. Since every team—and especially the best managed teams—do this regularly, then I expect you have determined that every team is incapable of drafting "properly."

[oldschoolcalgary]

a lot of teams with multiple goalies are going to have to navigate some tricky waters, as with the teams looking to pick up a goalie

a team like Pitts may very well wait until the trade deadline to deal MAF; they might even decide to keep him for a run at the cup, knowing they will lose him for nothing...

but with the volume of goalies out there, one could easily see a strategy of being the first out of the gate to get the highest value for said goalie...

a glut of goalies + the upcoming expansion draft could actually drive prices down the longer one waits

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Oh, the hyperbole. "No positive spin"? "Inability to draft properly"?

Here's a positive spin: Drafting a defenseman could mean drafting the best player available. Trading from an organisational strength to address weaknesses is a sign of excellent management. Since every team—and especially the best managed teams—do this regularly, then I expect you have determined that every team is incapable of drafting "properly."

Nope not buying it. You like to pretend you are the voice of reason but Flames fans can be incredibly hypercritical at times a you can't make fun of the Oilers on one hand for always going forward ahead of defensemen despite their organizational weakness of lack of defensemen in the draft and then state that it's excellent management to ignore an organizational weakness the Flames currently have at the skilled winger position. Like I said even scouts that look at the organization feel this pick should be a forward so it's not just fans that feel this organization is defense heavy. Trading is a sign of excellent management? Please. Like the Oilers trying desperately to trade for defensemen? Nope. Draft properly and don't depend on other teams to bail you out.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Nope not buying it. You like to pretend you are the voice of reason but Flames fans can be incredibly hypercritical at times a you can't make fun of the Oilers on one hand for always going forward ahead of defensemen despite their organizational weakness of lack of defensemen in the draft and then state that it's excellent management to ignore an organizational weakness the Flames currently have at the skilled winger position. Like I said even scouts that look at the organization feel this pick should be a forward so it's not just fans that feel this organization is defense heavy. Trading is a sign of excellent management? Please. Like the Oilers trying desperately to trade for defensemen? Nope. Draft properly and don't depend on other teams to bail you out.

I get what you are saying, but how do you not the best asset available at that position, if the assets available at that spot aren't going to fix your immediate needs (for the Flames that means jump in in the next two years as a top 6 forward).

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

I get what you are saying, but how do you not the best asset available at that position, if the assets available at that spot aren't going to fix your immediate needs (for the Flames that means jump in in the next two years as a top 6 forward).

Monahan and Bennett both stuck within a season after being drafted and I feel there's forwards available that are no more than a year away. There is no quick fix for upcoming season unless you think paying big money to a guy like Okposo is prudent but you have to start now to fix the lack of organizational depth on the wings and not let it slide another year as last season's draft was all about defense.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Nope not buying it.

I don't care. With the level of myopic, intractable resolution that you commit to every opinion, I will take your rejection as a compliment.

You like to pretend you are the voice of reason but you can't make fun of the Oilers on one hand for always going forward ahead of defensemen in the draft and then state that it's excellent management to ignore an organizational weakness.

We can always make fun of the Oilers because the Oilers are terrible. Their inability to move one of their over-priced underwhelming core forwards for a solid defenseman have little to do with their commitment to selecting BPA at the draft table. It has much more to do with their astonishing ineptitude at player development, and their kowtowing to star player entitlements.

Like I said even scouts that look at the organization feel this pick should be a forward so it's not just fans that feel this organization is defense heavy.

Not one single observer has characterised the Flames as "defense heavy" in the sense that this is a bad thing. And moreover, while I and many other would certainly prefer that the Flames draft a forward at #6, your classification of drafting a defenseman with that pick as a "nightmare scenario" is laughable on the same level as is the OP. Whether the Flames draft a forward or defenseman in the first round they will get a really good player, and that is terrific, since it will make them a better team coming out of the draft. This is not by any stretch a "nightmare."

[TheScorpion]

I actually don't think MAF will cost three seconds. I could see our second, Florida's second, and a fourth being the price.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Monahan and Bennett both stuck within a season after being drafted and I feel there's forwards available that are no more than a year away. There is no quick fix for upcoming season unless you think paying big money to a guy like Okposo is prudent but you have to start now to fix the lack of organizational depth on the wings and not let it slide another year as last season's draft was all about defense.

That's fair, if you think a top 6 forward in the next 2-3 years is there at 6, I think I'm with you. I don't know much about prospects myself,miso I don't really have an opinion on who they are, but I get the impression people don't believe the forwards that will be left when we pick fit that discription so they are saying take BPA who is likely a d-man.

I have a strong feeling if one of the forwards we expect to be left at 6 were what you are saying they could be, a lot more folks would be saying they migh be the BPA and I'd also bet the Flames would pick them.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I actually don't think MAF will cost three seconds. I could see our second, Florida's second, and a fourth being the price.

Based on what do you think so? I'm genuinely curious because I am myself trying to track the trade value for a high-priced, seasoned, top-level starter from past years.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I don't care. With the level of myopic, intractable resolution that you commit to every opinion, I will take your rejection as a compliment.


We can always make fun of the Oilers because the Oilers are terrible. Their inability to move one of their over-priced underwhelming core forwards for a solid defenseman have little to do with their commitment to selecting BPA at the draft table. It has much more to do with their astonishing ineptitude at player development, and their kowtowing to star player entitlements.


Not one single observer has characterised the Flames as "defense heavy" in the sense that this is a bad thing. And moreover, while I and many other would certainly prefer that the Flames draft a forward at #6, your classification of drafting a defenseman with that pick as a "nightmare scenario" is laughable on the same level as is the OP. Whether the Flames draft a forward or defenseman in the first round they will get a really good player, and that is terrific, since it will make them a better team coming out of the draft. This is not by any stretch a "nightmare."

I would for once like to hear you speak of your own opinion rather than simply trying to be the contrarian voice. You rarely ever post your own opinion that isn't quoting someone else it's always critique based. I'm sure I can't be the only poster that gets a little annoyed how you never contribute much of your own outside of lurking for posts that may not tow the company line and typing up long winded responses of agressive critique. I believe I'm right on this one and it's quite possible the Flames agree as well as the pick has yet to be made.

[Samonadreau]

I keep going back to being one win away from getting that second first from Dallas. Would have been the perfect bargaining chip to use for a goalie.

[CMPunk]

I have no nightmare's. I'll be fine with what ever the team does and deal with the things I don't. Hockey isn't important enough to wake up in a cold sweat over.

[Finger Cookin]

New threads every day from ricardow and TheScorpion.

[Inferno]

Not improving the goaltending and re-signing Ramo.

[This post is terrible]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

"New Era" version of a nightmare is a joke. I would gladly be happy if those scenarios happened for the flames. Nylander should be picked at 6th and flames could do a lot worse than Fleury in net.

This is my nightmare:

Draft at 6th: Flames GM takes size to literally and reaches for Gauthier

Flames don't trade for a goaltender and realize that Reimer has the upper hand and ends up signing in Toronto for over $5 million a season. Flames come back with Ramo/Ortio tandem.

Flames sign Okoposo to a $6 million / 6 year term

Smid does not go on LTR and sits in pressbox for season. 10 teams want Wideman but he won't waive his NMC.

Actually it's just my way of agreeing with you. Your nightmare scenario would be quite terrible

[Frank MetaMusil]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I would for once like to hear you speak of your own opinion rather than simply trying to be the contrarian voice. You rarely ever post your own opinion that isn't quoting someone else it's always critique based. I'm sure I can't be the only poster that gets a little annoyed how you never contribute much of your own outside of lurking for posts that may not tow the company line and typing up long winded responses of agressive critique. I believe I'm right on this one and it's quite possible the Flames agree as well as the pick has yet to be made.

It's not even that it's counter to every reply, it's the attitude in the replies themselves.

Text isn't always like this, I hope things are ok with him. I just don't understand the vehement defense of everything Treliving. He's done some good work so far, but some of the problems with this current Flames iteration are on him solely.

The pessimist label isn't really fair to you either, I've seen a change in your posting attitudes. Hartley got average goaltending at best for his entire tenure. Everyone and their dog knows Calgary needs a starter as do the other 29 GM's.

Treliving is going to earn every bit of criticism or praise he deserves this season, the external factors are minimal.

I wouldn't draft a dman either. The Flames need forwards badly.