[Signing] Ducks sign Vatanen to 4 year extension ($4.875 mil AAV)

[Enoch Root]

Every D signing in the league deserves the "makes Brodie's contract look even sweeter" post.

Not a bad signing, not a steal. Will be interesting to see how the Ducks progress with their cap.

[CaptainCrunch]

Right now when ever any GM sees Chia's name on the caller ID they know what he's looking for and that he's desparate. So I think that the prevailing threat is going to be to fleece him because the worst thing for Chia and the Oilers is he fails to fix his blueline.

If I'm a GM and I'm thinking of moving a younger top 4 RHD I'm wanting a major overpayment from the Oilers, and frankly to me, Eberle of Hall or Yak don't get it done. Eberle and Hall are both severely flawed players and Yak is value less. I'm targeting Draisaitl or even a guy like Nurse, and I'm going to want their 4th pick overall, and they're taking one of my terrible contracts to.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Right now when ever any GM sees Chia's name on the caller ID they know what he's looking for and that he's desparate. So I think that the prevailing threat is going to be to fleece him because the worst thing for Chia and the Oilers is he fails to fix his blueline.

If I'm a GM and I'm thinking of moving a younger top 4 RHD I'm wanting a major overpayment from the Oilers, and frankly to me, Eberle of Hall or Yak don't get it done. Eberle and Hall are both severely flawed players and Yak is value less. I'm targeting Draisaitl or even a guy like Nurse, and I'm going to want their 4th pick overall, and they're taking one of my terrible contracts to.

I see Edmonton media thinking an offer sheet to Jones, Lindholm, or Barrie might be the best course of action for the Oilers.

[Samonadreau]

Ducks are in win now mode and would want an impact player. Probably forward to help with scoring. Hall does fit the bill.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Right now when ever any GM sees Chia's name on the caller ID they know what he's looking for and that he's desparate. So I think that the prevailing threat is going to be to fleece him because the worst thing for Chia and the Oilers is he fails to fix his blueline.

If I'm a GM and I'm thinking of moving a younger top 4 RHD I'm wanting a major overpayment from the Oilers, and frankly to me, Eberle of Hall or Yak don't get it done. Eberle and Hall are both severely flawed players and Yak is value less. I'm targeting Draisaitl or even a guy like Nurse, and I'm going to want their 4th pick overall, and they're taking one of my terrible contracts to.

I think outside of desperate is the type of asset he needs. He needs a number 1 Dman, and to line up with his teams life cycle, he needs a young one. Young number 1 or high potential to be number 1 D-men assets are coveted, rare and needed by all teams, so they are hard to come by. The only thing as valuable is the equivalent at centre IMO, as those are what you need to build a top team. We in Calgary know what it's like when you best players aren't centres or #1 Dman, it just falls short.

I think that's why the Oilers passed on getting Jones (rumoured), they were only willing to offer RNH, who I think is starting to show he might only be a 2nd centre (but a good one), and they weren't willing to part with their young #1 centre potential asset, as that would simply be swapping one massive problem for another.

Say what you will about our prospects, and I'm certainly not counting our chickens yet because it's all based on potential still and the players need to reach it, but the biggest thing we have going for us is that we literally have 2 #1 centre potentials, and 2 #1 Dman potentials on our roster right now. The fact that we also appear to have one of the most dynamic future wingers in the game to compliment the as well is just gravy. I really like the way our rebuild is looking so far.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

I see Edmonton media thinking an offer sheet to Jones, Lindholm, or Barrie might be the best course of action for the Oilers.

Edmonton can't really go after high dollar free agents, with McDavid probably getting a 8 or 9 million dollar raise and with Nurse and Draisatl probably seeing between 3 to 5, they can't blow their brains out.

[Iniggywetrust]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

You couldn't give me Taylor Hall if I was a GM. One dimensional scoring winger with low hockey IQ. Even more concerning for me is how he just quit giving a crap once the Oilers were starting to obviously be out of it. He has oodles of skill but the negatives for me for outweigh any positives. The Oilers should name him Captain.

Toronto media said the same thing about Kessel. And he just led the league in playoff scoring

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Edmonton can't really go after high dollar free agents, with McDavid probably getting a 8 or 9 million dollar raise and with Nurse and Draisatl probably seeing between 3 to 5, they can't blow their brains out.

Yeah all I see is on HFoil how they are going to offer sheet someone 7.5 million per which would put them against the cap pretty much again. How are they going to sign McDavid, Draisaitl et co. even with the existing cap space even without any moves? Can't see it happening.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Iniggywetrust

Toronto media said the same thing about Kessel. And he just led the league in playoff scoring

Toronto media is stupid. Kessel has always been a smart player and despite being crapped on constantly in that market he still did his best and put up nice numbers. Kessel has very good hockey IQ. Hall, very little.

[JJ1532]

Oh good, another thread hijacked by more Oiler talk. Excellent.

Good deal for the Ducks and Vatanen. Another RFA ticked off the list.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Edmonton can't really go after high dollar free agents, with McDavid probably getting a 8 or 9 million dollar raise and with Nurse and Draisatl probably seeing between 3 to 5, they can't blow their brains out.

I think those numbers are pretty conservative. McDavid's a wildcard that could get whatever he wants really if his career goes as expected. I could see him pulling a Crosby and getting a cap-hit of 9.7M. Which really, isn't all that bad in a vacuum.

Draisaitl's agent should have a lot of negotiation power to get the patent 6x6 if Draisaitl has a comparable year to last year. Nugent-Hopkins received it with a career high 56 points and 19 goals. However, given the cap-crunch I can see them try and get him on a bridge-contract that I think will backfire.

Similarly with Nurse, Klefbom's 4.2M contract is about to kick in after 105 games and 35 points. Sure, it's a long-term contract, but if Nurse wants to secure his future and has a good next 2 seasons, that's the minimum cap-hit he should be looking at.

[Coach]

Everytime a good dman signs for around 5 mil, I just want to find TJ Brodie and give him a big ol' hug.

[Weitz]

Berle only has 1 year left when McDavid has to sign, Hall 2, and RNH 3. They could be moved if they aren't before then. More value with less term.

[Roof-Daddy]

Good contract for him IMO.

I wonder if Bieksa would agree to waive his NMC for an expansion draft? I sure hope not. I wish the league had just made it mandatory for players with NMC's to have to be protected, none of this "ask to waive" crap. For once I'd like to see teams pay for their blunders.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Edmonton could use Fowler or Lindholm. Now is there GM smart enough to give up on one of their so called "core" guys to get one of them?

I could see a Fowler for Hall deal but I can't see Anaheim trading Lindholm, kid is a big stud with a great shot, Fowler is good but full of brainfarts...just like Hall.

[Insufficient Funds]

Originally Posted by Iniggywetrust

Toronto media said the same thing about Kessel. And he just led the league in playoff scoring

Umm no he didn't. He led the Penguins in scoring but Couture led the playoffs in scoring.

Back at the ranch. Solid signing for the Ducks and it was needed. Agree with those saying the Brodie contract looks better with every signing.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Insufficient Funds

...Agree with those saying the Brodie contract looks better with every signing.

Is it fair to say that with every signing the Klefbom contract looks worse?

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Every D signing in the league deserves the "makes Brodie's contract look even sweeter" post.

Yup. Contenders for the title of "Best D Contract in NHL":

OEL (5.5m AAV)
Keith (5.5m AAV)
Josi (4m AAV)
Hamonic (3.8m AAV)
McDonagh (4.7m AAV)

And a couple that I wouldn't count because they expire next year (Hedman at $4m per is clearly the best, but it's almost up.)

Brodie's probably a half step down from those values but he's not far off. This Vatanen deal seems to me to be a bit high, but not egregious.

[mikephoen]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Yup. Contenders for the title of "Best D Contract in NHL":

OEL (5.5m AAV)
Keith (5.5m AAV)
Josi (4m AAV)
Hamonic (3.8m AAV)
McDonagh (4.7m AAV)

And a couple that I wouldn't count because they expire next year (Hedman at $4m per is clearly the best, but it's almost up.)

Brodie's probably a half step down from those values but he's not far off. This Vatanen deal seems to me to be a bit high, but not egregious.

Hamonic is so over rated. Career high of 5 goals and mid 20s points most years. Only 21 points this year. Sure, he plays good defense and eats minutes, but defensive defensemen just don't make as much as offensive ones. His contract is fine, but hardly a great deal, and definitely not better than Brodie's. Not even close on that one.

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

It's not a bad deal, but Hall's contract is not even remotely "one of the best contracts in the league."

Please re-read the sentence you're replying to.