Your Flames off-season nightmare scenario

[Lanny_McDonald]

Was thinking about the moves that would be the worst outcome for the Flames this summer and got me wondering what other scenarios people would have. You know, the ones that would make you face palm and then keep you up at night. What does that look like for you?

For me the pieces would be:

Draft: Alex Nylander
Trade: MA Fleury
Free Agent: None
Camp: Mason Raymond

The Nightmare: The Flames go to the draft with a bevy of draft picks and possibility. They've been talking about getting bigger and more black and blue. There are plenty of those types in this draft, especially in the 2nd round, so this is set up well for the team to be successful. Here's where the nightmare begins. The Flames see all the big boys up top go to their rivals. Tkachuk goes to Edmonton. Dubois goes to Vancouver. The Flames take "BPA" and select Alex Nylander. Treliving makes his bold move to acquire a goaltender and sends our three 2nd round picks to Pittsburgh for MA Fleury. We come away from the draft with Nylander and Fleury as big pieces.

July hits and the reality starts to sink in. The free agent period is upon us, but the Flames stand pat, because Fleury's salary has added to the budget challenges and there is too much uncertainty to spend any more money until other contracts work themselves out. Prospect camp rolls around and we get to see first hand that Nylander is more perimeter than we thought and we start to experience flashbacks of Jesper Mattson. August roles around and we start to hear the club talk about what great shape Mason Raymond is in and how he's looking like a lock for a position in camp. "Gully" says that May Ray has always been one of his favorite players and he's happy to have a chance to coach him.

Wake up in a cold sweat.

[Par]

Originally Posted by New Era

Was thinking about the moves that would be the worst outcome for the Flames this summer and got me wondering what other scenarios people would have. You know, the ones that would make you face palm and then keep you up at night. What does that look like for you?

For me the pieces would be:

Draft: Alex Nylander
Trade: MA Fleury
Free Agent: None
Camp: Mason Raymond

The Nightmare: The Flames go to the draft with a bevy of draft picks and possibility. They've been talking about getting bigger and more black and blue. There are plenty of those types in this draft, especially in the 2nd round, so this is set up well for the team to be successful. Here's where the nightmare begins. The Flames see all the big boys up top go to their rivals. Tkachuk goes to Edmonton. Dubois goes to Vancouver. The Flames take "BPA" and select Alex Nylander. Treliving makes his bold move to acquire a goaltender and sends our three 2nd round picks to Pittsburgh for MA Fleury. We come away from the draft with Nylander and Fleury as big pieces.

July hits and the reality starts to sink in. The free agent period is upon us, but the Flames stand pat, because Fleury's salary has added to the budget challenges and there is too much uncertainty to spend any more money until other contracts work themselves out. Prospect camp rolls around and we get to see first hand that Nylander is more perimeter than we thought and we start to experience flashbacks of Jesper Mattson. August roles around and we start to hear the club talk about what great shape Mason Raymond is in and how he's looking like a lock for a position in camp. "Gully" says that May Ray has always been one of his favorite players and he's happy to have a chance to coach him.

Wake up in a cold sweat.

Draft: Alex Nylander
Trade: MA Fleury
Free Agent: None
Camp: Mason Raymond

Draft: Nothing wrong with that, the NHL is going towards more goal scoring, small pads for goalies are coming, there are other things that are happening, that favors skilled players, so taking Alex Nylander is not that big of a deal. See what the Crosby line did and what their size was. I remember the 2008 draft when the "big boy" Zach Bogosian killed the NHL combine(had the best results ever, better than some of of the veterans already in the NHL) and he was being talked about how he was the best defenceman in the draft and was head to head with Drew Doughty, Doughty went #2 and "big boy" Zach Bogosian went #3, Alex Pietrangelo went #4 while Erik Karlsson went #15, I would take Pietrangelo or Karlsson over "big boy" Zach Bogosian any day. I remember this draft because the Leafs had the 5th pick and was excited to see what they do with and they pissed it on Luke Scheen. The point is, that you can't predict how these players will turn out.

Trade: MA Fleury is a good goalie and before his injury was having a very good season, was proably in top 10-15, you don't get those kind of goaltenders every day. Take a look at Pittsburgh's cap space and you will notice that it will not take three 2nd round picks to get Fleury and if you think that Brad Trevling will make a move like that, than you have no idea about the way Brad Trevling thinks(take a look at the Dougie Hamilton trade).

Free Agent: None would be ok, the worst thing you can do is, sign a 2nd line player to a 1st line player contract and handicap your team for a long long time.

Camp: The Flames want to play a speed game and Mason Raynond fits that plan, I think under Glen Gulutzan, Mason Raymond can be 40 point player, that idiot Hartley had favorite's that he would play and not give everyone a chance, Hartley had no idea how to build a relationship with his players and Hartley did not know the strengths and weaknesses of his players, Glen Gulutzan understands this and he will use it with Raymond here, Mason is only 30 years old.

[Alberta_Beef]

I'm not huge on either Nylander or Fleury but suggesting getting both is a nightmare is pretty laughable, Ricardo levels of laughable.

edit: I somehow missed like half a sentence

[Samonadreau]

If the Flames came out of the summer with Nylander and MAF I would be a happy man. If Raymond can have a decent season and we could get a pick for him at the deadline even better.

[EldrickOnIce]

Yeah. I would say that's a pretty much just right Flames summer. Top half of league goaltending. A 40-50 point Mason Raymond, and getting our guy at the draft. What's not to like?
With expansion, who knows who might be available by next summer. I think it would be a bad mistake for the Flames to commit to a significant free agent right now.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Drafting Nylander would be fine, quality player and prospect.

Trading for Fluery makes a lot of sense to me, would be a great fit. Only thing is acquisition cost but to me this trade fits snugger than OJ's gloves.

Nothing in free agency? Good!

Camp? What's wrong with having a positive outlook for Raymond as the new coach, give everyone a chance to make the team out of camp, including Mason. If he stinks up the joint, back to the AHL. This in his final year, not a big deal.

[Mister Yamoto]

Ramo and Ortio.

[jmac98]

Obviously you don't like Nylander and Fleury and that's fine. But both are highly probable and both are terrific choices within the given parameters. They could do far worse than either of these outcomes.
Nightmare to me means something like "Ramo healed up fast and we decided to give him and Ortio one more shot."

[Par]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

I'm not huge on either Nylander or Fleury but suggesting getting both is pretty laughable, Ricardo levels of laughable.

Who is Ricardo?

[ComixZone]

My nightmare scenario? Trading down.

We don't need quantity, we need quality.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Par

Who is Ricardo?

I think his mom manages cap space for the Hurricanes

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by Par

Who is Ricardo?

http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthread.php?t=155100

[Table 5]

Draft: Mcleod at 6.
UFA: Lucic to some silly long contract.
Goalie: sign Bryz
Camp: Injuries that set back one of the core kids.

[Roof-Daddy]

Nightmare scenario for the off-season?

Johnny and/or Mony getting seriously injured at the World Cup.
Johnny and/or Mony not coming to terms on new deals.
Ricardodw keeps posting his brain farts all over the forum and they continue to be endlessly quoted and responded to.

[ignite09]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

I'm not huge on either Nylander or Fleury but suggesting getting both is pretty laughable, Ricardo levels of laughable.

How is that laughable? Drafting Nylander and trading for M.A. Fleury is a fairly realistic scenario. Also don't see how some call that a nightmare. A point producing RH RW and a top 15 goalie seem like the kind of things that would move this team forward. Trading down into the teens, drafting Day with that pick, and signing Lucic to a 7 year 7 mil. deal, now that's a nightmare.

[MoreDrank]

Nightmare Scenario:
Flames extend Colborne for more than two years at any AAV over 1.5 mil.
Get stuck with both Wideman and Smid contracts.
Nakladal walks.

[Ashasx]

If anyone's nightmare scenario includes drafting Nylander, I think you need to re-evaluate.

[devo22]

To me, trading for Fleury would not be a nightmare at all. It would mean that the Flames are finally serious about fixing the position. I would rather trade for a solid #1 goalie in Fleury than overpay for a UFA or go for a halfhearted solution.

Draft: anything else than taking the best player available. Don't trade down, don't reach for a specific player, just take the best one available. If that is Nylander in the eyes of our scouts, then so be it.

[Geeoff]

Wouldn't it be worse if we traded our 1st for Fleury? Might as well go all the way if it's your nightmare

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by MoreDrank

Nightmare Scenario:
Flames extend Colborne for more than two years at any AAV over 1.5 mil.
Get stuck with both Wideman and Smid contracts.
Nakladal walks.

Be prepared for all of these to happen. Although, I expect we'll re-sign Nakladal, since we're probably gonna lose a D in the expansion draft.