[CP Story] The Treliving Goalie "Process"

[Bingo]

Taking a stab at what ProcessMan will do with the goalie situation.

Fun exercise.

Comments welcomed

http://www.calgarypuck.com/2016/06/t...oalie-process/

[Dr. Doom]

Skill hands down.

We need to get this right regardless of cost. I mean let's not handcuff ourselves with a dumbass contract sure, but everyone is starting to get nightmares over this.

I'm quite concerned we're again putting faith into more question marks like Ortio and Rittich. These guys are all well and good but we need proven or guys more likely to become proven in the mix. Even Ramo's name is re-surfacing like come on...

[Enoch Root]

You can't pick one - they're inter-related. Improvement on one variable means more cost on another.

The best choice is the one that best juggles all three.

And too many polls lately.

[SportsJunky]

Acquisition cost for me. Reimer can be had without coughing up any assets. He's the stop-gap solution in my mind.

[Dr. Doom]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

You can't pick one - they're inter-related. Improvement on one variable means more cost on another.

The best choice is the one that best juggles all three.

And too many polls lately.

That wasn't the question.

[Red Slinger]

If you fail to plan you plan to fail?

[IgiTang]

The cost could be expensive. It could be relatively cheap considering the market.

Skill - IMO, declining and not enough mental toughness to back stop a young team like the Flames and carry them through the playoffs. Sure we may scrape our way into the dance. But we will be left without a chair when the music stops.

Cap hit - it will definitely limit the teams options for a backup goalie. Gillies is at least a year away, so what would the Flames do, spend $6 mil on Fleury and another $1-2 mil on a backup?

$7-8 mil on goaltending for 3 years is tough..
Spending a 2nd rounder or more to acquire is tough.
Watching a goalie fall apart under pressure and watching this young team lose faith in their keeper again and potentially be disgruntled enough to start considering moving on, would be completely unacceptable.

Bring in a stop gap of no more than 2 years. See what he can do and keep looking for that franchise goalie. With the expansion draft looming, it's more than possible the Flames can snag one.

[Caged Great]

Acquisition cost for me is the most important thing.

The Flames don't really need a top tier goalie for now. They need a goalie like the Avalanche did when they acquired Varlamov. The thing that is the twist with the team currently is them having Gillies and McDonald in the wings. If they did not have those two, who are both question marks, then perhaps it would be more important to target a skill goalie. The Flames can get by with adequate goaltending for the time being while they wait and see if the guys in the wings are going to emerge as being legit top goalies in their own right.

Ideally you get a goalie for 2-3 years, and either spend assets then to get a top tier goalie if the prospects do not turn out, or turn it over to the prospect that does.


For me, I wouldn't want to see them using anything more than 54/56 + a middling prospect like a Poirier or Wotherspoon to get anyone, as they can just sign a free agent that will do an adequate job.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

You can't pick one - they're inter-related. Improvement on one variable means more cost on another.

The best choice is the one that best juggles all three.

And too many polls lately.

Well I haven't put one up in two weeks, I'm do.

You don't have to vote though

[Northendzone]

I wish there was another option - because I don't think the flames should give up any tangible assets today to get a goalie, because they likely are not ready to make a serious playoff run just yet.

also, I am not sure if it is a good move to spend a bunch of money brigning in a guy like MA Fluery just yeat.

But that being said, I could be completely wrong

[flambers]

I would rank the goalies by Skill, then you inquire into the cost and lastly you evaluate the overall cap hit.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Well I haven't put one up in two weeks, I'm do.

You don't have to vote though

Odd reply - isn't the point of the poll to generate more traffic?

For me, polls usually meant it was a big topic, a topic that generated some passion with fans and thus a poll was needed to see where things stand.

I looked forward to polls.

Lately (and I realize it's not you starting them Bingo) there is a poll in every other thread and it completely ruins the cache of them (for lack of a better word).

Anyway, I wasn't trying to get in an argument with you, just expressing an opinion that, for me, more polls is less.

[Erick Estrada]

I votes acquisition cost. We aren't going to get a Carey Price caliber goaltender and all the names being bandied about have been essentially mid grade goaltenders (outside of maybe Bishop if he's available) so it's all going to come down to Treliving getting the best average goaltender for the best price.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Odd reply - isn't the point of the poll to generate more traffic?

For me, polls usually meant it was a big topic, a topic that generated some passion with fans and thus a poll was needed to see where things stand.

I looked forward to polls.

Lately (and I realize it's not you starting them Bingo) there is a poll in every other thread and it completely ruins the cache of them (for lack of a better word).

Anyway, I wasn't trying to get in an argument with you, just expressing an opinion that, for me, more polls is less.

No worries

I'm honestly starting to wish I didn't include the poll as well, as its clouding the bigger discussion ...

If a GM weighs acquisition cost and cap hit as huge variables in relation to skill James Reimer rises to the top very quickly. I think M.A. Fleury does as well to a certain degree but it's interesting.

If he wants to put a piece in place that fits the young core though then it's a completely different target.

[CMPunk]

I'm fine with whatever process they use as long as the team gets the best possible goalie for the team.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Bingo

No worries

I'm honestly starting to wish I didn't include the poll as well, as its clouding the bigger discussion ...

If a GM weighs acquisition cost and cap hit as huge variables in relation to skill James Reimer rises to the top very quickly. I think M.A. Fleury does as well to a certain degree but it's interesting.

If he wants to put a piece in place that fits the young core though then it's a completely different target.

I think this is the fundamental issue: does he want a young player that could become part of the core, or does he want a stop-gap (which essentially puts all of his eggs in the Gillies/MacDonald basket?

I hope the focus is on trying to find a quality young player to add to the mix. Someone who is further along than Gillies.

If there is real, long-term potential there, then I am a lot more willing to accept some acquisition cost.

[Enoch Root]

One thing I don't want to see is both high acquisition cost and high cap hit.

[Textcritic]

I used to think that Fleury was going to be the guy, or that the team would sign one of the UFAs. After hearing from Rutherford yesterday, and after hearing Kristen Odland on the TEAM 1040 this past week I am now more convinced that it will be a trade for a younger goalie, which means a higher acquisition cost.

[Bingo]

I still like the acquire Reimer for a 5th backup plan.

Get him in and talk to him. Would really give them a fall back and potentially make trade partners lower their demands for other stoppers.

[Enoch Root]

7th to talk to him and 5th if we sign him

Then convince him that a one year, show-me deal is in his best interest!