Almost every post I have made explicitly mentions this.
It's like people see "... the parents could..." and immediately snap to comment regardless of what else is said.
The parents could have done nothing in this case. That's the objection here. They followed signage available. They were watching the kid close enough that they were able to fight the gator. What more could the parent have done that wouldn't have involved bubble wrapping the kid.
And even if there is something they "could" have done (like staying in Nebraska) the question is "should" they have. We take the greatest risk in our lives everyday when we get into a car. Nothing, even on a per hour of activity basis is more dangerous then that. So when saying they should have done something different one needs to account for the amount of risk that behaviour would have changed, in this case to change the risk of them dying on their trip they would have likely had to cancel it.
If someone gets hit by a drunk driver do we ever say well they didn't have to be driving at the time. We don't, because we feel that driving is an acceptable risk. Putting your feet in the water, at a resort run by a reputable company, in a lagoon that says no swimming, while observing your kid close enough so that you can fight an alligator before it goes away is a reasonable level of risk mitigation.
The parents here could have done nothing.
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Holy crap. We get it. You always think of the danger. Thanks for that. You can shut the hell up anytime now. 17 posts of the same GD thing. WE GET IT!
Why should he shut up? He has a solid point, you just don't like it. Should Disney have done more to prevent this? Seems to me they should have, looks pretty negligent. Should the parents have known better than to let a 2 year old wade in the water of what is essentially the alligator capital of the world at night, I would say that's also the case. Senseless tragedy either way, but Disney isn't the only one in the wrong here, and when a tragedy likes this happens people are going to look at what went wrong.
Can someone please point to spot where I had much of a vocal opinion about anything...
You just. don't. stop. posting. So yeah, you're pretty vocal.
You have stated what you feel the parents' mindset should be. You don't know their mindset. You don't know if they were delinquent. You don't know what it's like to have kids. You don't know how fast things can go wrong. You don't know what the mindset of a parent needs to be to 100% prevent this from happening.
So please, feel free to make your point, but when it starts looking like people aren't getting it, maybe don't double down 17 more times, but just back away and realize that maybe your point isn't worth getting.
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Why should he shut up? He has a solid point, you just don't like it. Should Disney have done more to prevent this? Seems to me they should have, looks pretty negligent. Should the parents have known better than to let a 2 year old wade in the water of what is essentially the alligator capital of the world at night, I would say that's also the case. Senseless tragedy either way, but Disney isn't the only one in the wrong here, and when a tragedy likes this happens people are going to look at what went wrong.
Would you let your two your old walk down the street with you or play in a backyard in Woodbine?
Does anyone here whose actually stayed at this resort remember if they were warned of the hazards when they checked in or whether they are told not to swim in the Lagoon?
I know when I go to Cabo that's the first thing whatever hotel i'm staying at tells me when I check in. "You can't swim in the water sir, it's not safe". There's also chairs and beach setup there, but I don't go in the water because they've specifically told me not to.
If Disney doesn't tell people that when they check in, that's pretty brutal.
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Why should he shut up? He has a solid point, you just don't like it. Should Disney have done more to prevent this? Seems to me they should have, looks pretty negligent. Should the parents have known better than to let a 2 year old wade in the water of what is essentially the alligator capital of the world at night, I would say that's also the case. Senseless tragedy either way, but Disney isn't the only one in the wrong here, and when a tragedy likes this happens people are going to look at what went wrong.
Listen, dude. His point is just fine, but he's made his point. He's ruining the thread by continuing to say the same thing over and over. Sounds like a 14 year old girl who wants attention after repeating it 10 times. WE GET YOUR POINT!
Even if you're an "always think of the danger!!1!" person, you don't know what you don't know. Not everyone is an alligator habitat expert. Or even an alligator habitat journeyman.
I still wonder why they have a lifeguard on duty if there is no swimming because of gators.
I wonder why they built an effing beach if they knew there are gators in the water!! As I've said before that's the equivalent of baking a cake with razor blades in the middle.
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Listen, dude. His point is just fine, but he's made his point. He's ruining the thread by continuing to say the same thing over and over. Sounds like a 14 year old girl who wants attention after repeating it 10 times. WE GET YOUR POINT!
I was only responding to people also saying (or implying) the same thing over and over; that I am blaming the parents for the death of their child. It's a pretty serious thing to accuse someone of, so yeah, I'm going to defend myself. Sorry.
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Listen, dude. His point is just fine, but he's made his point. He's ruining the thread by continuing to say the same thing over and over. Sounds like a 14 year old girl who wants attention after repeating it 10 times. WE GET YOUR POINT!
Would you let your two your old walk down the street with you in woodbine?
I would, but I sure as hell wouldn't if I knew it was infested with cougars or grizzlies and that there was more than a remote chance I might encounter one.
I definitely think the resort is negligent here, but I also think that when you are travelling you need to do some research as to your surroundings. Would I expect to get mauled by an alligator at a Disney Resort, not a chance. When I got to the resort and saw it backed on to a giant swamp in Florida, would I allow my kids to wade around the edge of the water, not a chance either.
I think the resort is 95% at fault here, I just don't get the complete denial of a lot of people here that an alligator attack is in the realm of possibility. To me this a little close to home with people for kids and is resulting in some pretty illogical statements.
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2 year old boy snatched by alligator at Disney World
Trail marker from an urban wilderness area in West Palm Beach that is essentially the watershed for the city.
Little guys like this are around . This guy was close enough for a phone shot from a low Boardwalk. A bunch of teenagers were caught carrying a 4 footer out of here. Apparently they had been baiting her with chicken.
We regularly have to step around the tail of a large one that hangs out near the trail.
If you clap your hands or make some loud noise he scoots into the water.
As far as I know there haven't been problems here. I would say it's because it's mostly locals or Eco-tourists well aware of this environment.
I wonder why they built an effing beach if they knew there are gators in the water!! As I've said before that's the equivalent of baking a cake with razor blades in the middle.
I would imagine they will face the music for that in court. Seems pretty stupid.
I would, but I sure as hell wouldn't if I knew it was infested with cougars or grizzlies and that there was more than a remote chance I might encounter one.
I definitely think the resort is negligent here, but I also think that when you are travelling you need to do some research as to your surroundings. Would I expect to get mauled by an alligator at a Disney Resort, not a chance. When I got to the resort and saw it backed on to a giant swamp in Florida, would I allow my kids to wade around the edge of the water, not a chance either.
I think the resort is 95% at fault here, I just don't get the complete denial of a lot of people here that an alligator attack is in the realm of possibility. To me this a little close to home with people for kids, and they are ignoring logic as a result.
Cougars are routinely in fish creek park. Every year there are warnings about cougars in fish creek park. So there is definitely more than a remote chance of encountering one in woodbine or any neighbourhood that backs on to it.
I think the opposite his happening, people aren't ignoring logic, its people who want to feel safe that this will never happen to their kids need to blame the parents. This allows them to say that this would never happen to me as I wouldn't have done X. And allows them to hide the fact that the world can be scary place where random terrible stuff happens and you can do nothing to prevent it. That's why parents get blamed. It's a coping mechanism to stop that feeling of helplessness in the pit of your stomach when you read stories like this.
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Trail marker from an urban wilderness area in West Palm Beach that is essentially the watershed for the city.
Little guys like this are around . This guy was close enough for a phone shot from a low Boardwalk. A bunch of teenagers were caught carrying a 4 footer out of here. Apparently they had been baiting her with chicken.
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Kind of outside the topic of this thread, but citizens can just bait an animal in a wilderness habitat in Florida, and take it home with them? That has to be illegal doesn't it?
Cougars are routinely in fish creek park. Every year there are warnings about cougars in fish creek park. So there is definitely more than a remote chance of encountering one in woodbine or any neighbourhood that backs on to it.
I think the opposite his happening, people aren't ignoring logic, its people who want to feel safe that this will never happen to their kids need to blame the parents. This allows them to say that this would never happen to me as I wouldn't have done X. And allows them to hide the fact that the world can be scary place where random terrible stuff happens and you can do nothing to prevent it. That's why parents get blamed. It's a coping mechanism to stop that feeling of helplessness in the pit of your stomach when you read stories like this.
Maybe it's because i've spent a decent amout of time in Florida (always went there as a child for vacation), so I could be casting too much judgment on what people should and shouldn't know about alligators in Florida.
That said, you can't compare cougars and bears to the alligators down in Florida. They are literally everywhere down there. They are closer to magpies in Calgary than they are cougars or bears. I remember my parents telling me repeatedly not to let the dog out at night because of the gators (in the 80s(. They went "missing" all the time.
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Kind of outside the topic of this thread, but citizens can just bait an animal in a wilderness habitat in Florida, and take it home with them? That has to be illegal doesn't it?
Oh no, it's definitely illegal.
Sorry if I derailed the thread; just illustrating that warnings are usually given so this Disney thing is really odd to me.
There's a long story to that poaching incident - it led to an officer being put back out there full time. Made him happy!
The initial responding West Palm officer said he didn't know it was illegal to take the gator.
Can you imagine a cop not knowing.
The regular hikers know when the "regular" creatures are not acting right, so to speak. Several had been commenting about changes in behavior of gators who tend to hang out near the trail.
