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There may not be many alligator attacks but there seem to be one or two a year, enough that the resort either shouldn't have had a beach or should have had fencing and signage that would make this impossible.
I read somwhere that the resort has staff that watch out for nuisance Gators and report any sightings to Fish and Widlife.
If you have ever been to Mexico, there is a good chance you had a near miss with either an alligator, crocodile, poisonous snake, poisonous fish, jellyfish, Montezuma, cartel, etc.
While I don't expect Mexico to utilize appropriate barriers or other safety mechanisms to keep my kids safe, I do expect Disney to help ensure safety.
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If you have ever been to Mexico, there is a good chance you had a near miss with either an alligator, crocodile, poisonous snake, poisonous fish, jellyfish, Montezuma, cartel, etc.
While I don't expect Mexico to utilize appropriate barriers or other safety mechanisms to keep my kids safe, I do expect Disney to help ensure safety.
Disney has never had an alligator attack like this happen in it's 45 years of operations.
The famous theme park has it's own wildlife management system which works diligently to keep guests safe from alligators and says their wildlife team removes or kills any alligators they find in the lakes on the property.
You can't drive 5 feet up the road without seeing an Alligator in Florida.
BS much? I've spent some time in Florida. Didn't see a single alligator. I know a lot of people who've spent time in Florida, often having been there many many times over many many years, who have yet to see an alligator.
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So there is a no swimming sign, but there is also a lifeguard on duty. They also found something like 5 gators in the water during the search for the boy.
Didn't someone say earlier there were supposed to be measures that kept the water gator free?
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Horrific that would be gut wrenching as a parent to see. Scratch that for anyone to see.
Just awful it would be an image of terror that would be in your mind for years.
Anytime I have golfed in Florida my ball goes anywhere near a lagoon, pond whatever I'm like screw it and play 20 ft away those friggin gators they terrify me. The water is murky and those beasts move lightening quick when they strike.
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Disney has never had an alligator attack like this happen in it's 45 years of operations.
The famous theme park has it's own wildlife management system which works diligently to keep guests safe from alligators and says their wildlife team removes or kills any alligators they find in the lakes on the property.
I look at that beach, think I'm in Florida, and there's zero chance in hell myself or my kids (if I had any) are getting in that water. To me it's only common sense there are alligators in there. You can't control an area that big.
Whether there was adequate signage or not will be the debate (some reports say there are alligator signs, some reports say there aren't), but knowing where I am in the world, there's no way i'm letting my kids in there, let alone a 2 year old later in the evening.
Really? I mean, being from Alberta, I would have a keen sense for not letting my 2 year old wander close to bear/cougar/moose habitat. Not so sure I'd be totally alert to what looks like a trout pond to the Albertan eye. My danger mitigation would be a life jacket. An Australian would probably be worrying about 12" spiders. Brazilians might wonder about piranhas?
It must be really enlightening to be so aware of every danger in every place in the whole wide world. I, for one, might have benefited from some kind of warning that there *might* be alligators crawling up that apparently soothing beach. Kinda easy to forget about alligators when you come from a place that doesn't have any. Good thing I've heard about bridges collapsing in Montreal. I definitely keep that in mind when I go there.
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Disney has never had an alligator attack like this happen in it's 45 years of operations.
The famous theme park has it's own wildlife management system which works diligently to keep guests safe from alligators and says their wildlife team removes or kills any alligators they find in the lakes on the property.
Most likely Disney demolishes the beaches it has at its resorts on the lagoon after this.
I haven't stayed at one of their resorts, but we did have dinner reservations once at the Polynesian resort (which is right next door to the resort this incident happened to). After dinner, we went to the beach at that resort to watch the fireworks over the Magic Kingdom.
I don't recall a no swimming sign, but I do recall a lot of guests getting close to the water.
The dude's a park ranger. He knows what he's talking about.
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Oh, okay! Well that makes sense.
Being a Park Ranger, dissentowner would be closer to the situation. Ranging all those Parks he has undoubtably seen some stupid behaviour by people trying to get close to potentially dangerous wildlife. Maybe this hits home for him. Thanks for the clarification, V!
Actually now that I think about it, I'm pretty sure you got it wrong, V. I distinctly remember law enforcement.
Law enforcement, right dissentowner? That rings a bell for some reason.
BS much? I've spent some time in Florida. Didn't see a single alligator. I know a lot of people who've spent time in Florida, often having been there many many times over many many years, who have yet to see an alligator.
You're friends are full of it or oblivious to their surroundings.There's no way anyone spends any amount amount of time in Florida and doesnt see an alligator unless their entire trip was spent on the keys, at a coastal beach resort, or in a theme park.
If you'd rive from coast to coast you are going to see one (especially in the interior where Orlando is). They are everywhere. You drive up the highway and look in a ditch, and if there's water in it, there's a decent you'll see an alligator. I can't remember golfing at a single course where I didn't see at least 1. They are more common than deer or Coyotes and we see them all the time.
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Really? I mean, being from Alberta, I would have a keen sense for not letting my 2 year old wander close to bear/cougar/moose habitat. Not so sure I'd be totally alert to what looks like a trout pond to the Albertan eye. My danger mitigation would be a life jacket. An Australian would probably be worrying about 12" spiders. Brazilians might wonder about piranhas?
It must be really enlightening to be so aware of every danger in every place in the whole wide world. I, for one, might have benefited from some kind of warning that there *might* be alligators crawling up that apparently soothing beach. Kinda easy to forget about alligators when you come from a place that doesn't have any. Good thing I've heard about bridges collapsing in Montreal. I definitely keep that in mind when I go there.
I agree. The first time I went golfing on my own in Phoenix, I went early in the morning to get a quick round in before the day started. It was a pseudo-desert course, and I couldn't believe how many balls I found in the sandy rough along the fairways - sometimes I'd pass a dozen or more in plain site walking down a fairway. I honestly thought the balls were placed there on purpose for some reason because there were so many.
After the round, I was told at the clubhouse to never (on that course, anyway) pick up loose balls in these areas because of rattlesnakes. Also, the snakes often mistake the golf balls for eggs so any loose balls you do pick up may be degraded because they've been through the snake's system. I figure I was lucky - the early morning round meant the snakes were sleeping or otherwise too cold to be a threat.
The idea of being bitten by a rattlesnake looking for a ball in the rough never crossed my mind until it was explicitly explained to me. Even though I knew rattlesnakes are prevalent in Phoenix, it just never clicked. Plus, being on a golf course, an environment for which I have preconceived notions about its safety, probably blinded me from the threat as well.
I can see this being the same case for the poor family in Florida. They're in a resort, on a sandy beach with beach chairs - should they have known the water was an alligator threat? The danger just didn't click. If a sign or a resort worker had explained to them that alligators are a real danger, you can bet the parents would have kept their kids from the water.
When my oldest daughter was 2, she was standing by our back entrance, which was a landing between the stairs to the basement, and stairs to the main floor. I saw her lose her balance and tumble backwards down the 10 or so stairs to the basement. She was fortunately ok - just shaken up. But I have replayed that scene hundreds of times, and shuddered at what might have been. Was I a bad parent? My daughter wasn't always stable on her feet, stairs are dangerous, I should have known better. But we were on our way out to some excursion, I had just put on her snowsuit, and had gotten up to get my own jacket when she took a few steps towards the stairs, wobbled, and fell. The best I can say is it just happened. Parenting is full of close calls, walking that line between vigilance and trust. It's also easy to be filled with guilt and inadequacy. Blaming the parent doesn't help, and might just be misplaced anger at what happened.
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Would this resort tell people not to swim when thy check in? I've never Stayed at that hotel before but anywhere I've stayed, if there was a hazard they've made me aware in check in.
I'd like to congratulate the super parents in this thread for their continued and extreme vigilance to the safety of their fake children.
I have a young son who is insane. Not literally. Figuratively. Keeping him safe 100% of the time is, literally, impossible and I am not exaggerating. We do our best and minimize risks but it is a miracle he hasn't killed himself already. I exaggerate some but come on. Look at that beach!!Nobody on earth would be able to keep a young kid full of piss and energy running around at all times spitting puking throwing smashing yelling hitting scratching jumping... Just a little ball of blur all over the ####ing place. I'm not saying in this situation I'd tie delicious scented steaks to his back and dangle him through shallow waters waiting for the alligators, but based on those photos it's very easy to see how an excited little kid at Disney world standing unexpectantly in foot or less of water could be prey if a parent wasn't expecting a ####ing alligator to come eat your kid!!
The people who are blaming the parents could not be more clueless in this thread. Go have a kid and then come back and report to us your thoughts. Look at the picture for Christ sakes... There's chairs to go lounge around by the waters edge! You honestly think Disney would be cool with people lounging around by the waters edge of they honestly thought there were predators capable of dragging small children into the water there?
Guaranteed the no swimming signs are for swimming liability. Or if they are for the alligators, it's because Disney hasn't seen one approach the beach EVER. Otherwise not a chance in hell they'd have chairs there or a beach like setting.
Judging the parents? Good lord.
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