It's not two wrongs don't make a right. And I would never say it to someones face, ever. I have a lot of friends and acquaintances that believe in religion, my own mother does to an extent, and those same people have tried to preach it to me, and I just say "Ok, if that's what you believe. It's just not for me."
I have never once, insulted someone to their face about their beliefs. I have had many people tell me I am misguided and uninformed for not following their path.
Hey if you want to think I am the son of Satan for believing in the likes of Lawrence Krauss, or Neil Degrasse Tyson... keep it to yourself, I don't need to hear it.
Other than your first sentence, I don't disagree with any of this, it's your original position that you are automatically smarter than anyone religious that I took issue with. Yes it is two wrongs don't make a right here. I'm not defending what religious people do or think because I think it's kind of obvious how I feel about what they do or think based on these last few posts. It's the "not religious" people that just presume they're better that I take issue with and don't believe it's a good characteristic, or something to be proud of. It's arrogant.
You believe your mom is less intelligent than you because of her belief system?
You believe your mom is less intelligent than you because of her belief system?
I personally believe she is naive for believing in god yes. But that is just my personal opinion. Hey I could be wrong and by some incredibly flukey chance, those fantastic stories in the Torah are correct.
The world would be a hell of a lot better place if the religious just realized that all their laws and rules only applied to them, think being gays a sin? that's fine don't be shagging other dudes, think eating pork's a sin, don't be eating bacon (although that's crazy talk right there) not only is none of your business what other people do but your supposed to be tempted, that's the whole point of our existence down here, what's the point of God making sodomy a sin if you can't find anyone to have sex with?
And if you honestly think it's your job to punish sinners you obviously have no faith in gods ability to smite people on his own.
I agree. But alas, we're social animals. We're hardwired to live in a pack and to scrutinize others in the pack for transgressing normal behaviour. I mean, just look at how much people can freak out if others don't like the same movies that they do, or prefer a different video-game console. When other people reject what we believe, it tends to cause tremendous distress. Then we react by ostracizing them.
While supernatural religiosity has declined in the West in recent decades, I don't really see any decline in the core social behaviours of religiosity: judging others, signalling our own virtue, and favouring simple emotional explanations over complex and less satisfying ones.
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You keep saying words, but you don't know what they mean. Sorry but if you think Quantum physics helps you define god, you will find not more than 2 physicists who might listen.
I don't think that's what AcGold was getting at. Just that these ideas of different universes and dimensions we can't perceive open up new/different ideas of some form of afterlife. That doesn't have to have anything to do with god.
Live and let live. Believe what you want, I couldn't care less, it's a free country. My opinion of it shouldn't matter to you, if you're convinced a man in the sky is judging your every move. My opinion is the least of your problems.
So what if you're religious but don't believe that a man in the sky is judging your every move? Because you tossed the intelligence of all religious people under the bus in your first post
You can believe in a religion without believing in all the supernatural and bigoted crap attached to it
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So what if you're religious but don't believe that a man in the sky is judging your every move? Because you tossed the intelligence of all religious people under the bus in your first post
You can believe in a religion without believing in all the supernatural stuff attached to it
Let me clarify. I am sure there are millions of religious people smarter than me. I don't doubt that for a second. I'm no genius by any stretch. As evidenced by anything I have ever posted. Cool, I'm a dummy, let's get that out of the way.
However, I do however believe that if you had two people, with the exact same IQ. Same math skills, same writing skills, same problem solving skills...but one believed in god/creationism, and the other denounced god and believed in evolution, I would consider the non-believer, to be the smarter, more forward thinker, and value their opinion more.
I cringe when I see zealots trying to convince us fossils are tests of god. And a day 6 billion years ago, was a billion years long. They are bending facts, to fit their antiquated beliefs.
The guy with the courage and knowledge to challenge that type of propaganda, and try and actually explain it. He's smarter to me, even if he has the same IQ.
Let me clarify. I am sure there are millions of religious people smarter than me. I don't doubt that for a second. I'm no genius by any stretch. As evidenced by anything I have ever posted. Cool, I'm a dummy, let's get that out of the way.
However, I do however believe that if you had two people, with the exact same IQ. Same math skills, same writing skills, same problem solving skills...but one believed in god/creationism, and the other denounced god and believed in evolution, I would consider the non-believer, to be the smarter, more forward thinker, and value their opinion more.
I cringe when I see zealots trying to convince us fossils are tests of god. And a day 6 billion years ago, was a billion years long. They are bending facts, to fit their antiquated beliefs.
The guy with the courage and knowledge to challenge that type of propaganda, and try and actually explain it. He's smarter to me, even if he has the same IQ.
If you think that most Christians take Genesis literally, then you are seriously misinformed.
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You keep saying words, but you don't know what they mean. Sorry but if you think Quantum physics helps you define god, you will find not more than 2 physicists who might listen.
Where did I say anything like this?
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I'll never get in the way of someone's beliefs, they can believe what they want. I also won't preach atheism to them either. Not my business. But I'm not going to lie when I say internally, I judge religious people as less intelligent, and of poor judgement. No different than I judge people that watch shows about psychics and mediums. Or people that fall into MLM traps. You're just kinda stupid if you fall into that trap, and I think less of you for it.
If it gives a person purpose and meaning in their lives how can you think any less of them. I was once a member of an Evangelical church for 12 years before I got tired of the hypocrisy within organized religion where the focus was on condemnation and less on forgiveness. There is so much hate in organised religion that it makes me sick!
All I'm saying is it's a pretty arrogant belief you possess in your own right. That so many people in this world were never born to access the type of life, upbringing, opportunity and most importantly education you have, doesn't necessarily make them less intelligent than you. Or did you mean educated? And even if they were educated under the same circumstances, but they end up being religious. That makes them stupider than you?
It's just as toxic a position and belief system as what religious types who push their agendas on others is. It's not constructive at all to bridging understanding. 'You're religious so I'm smarter than you'? Lame.
Actually, studies show that religious people are generally less intelligent:
The review, which is the first systematic meta-analysis of the 63 studies conducted in between 1928 and 2012, showed that of the 63 studies, 53 showed a negative correlation between intelligence and religiosity, while 10 showed a positive one.
Only two studies showed significant positive correlations and significant negative correlations were seen in a total of 35 studies.
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The paper concludes that: "Most extant explanations (of a negative relation) share one central theme —the premise that religious beliefs are irrational, not anchored in science, not testable and, therefore, unappealing to intelligent people who 'know better'."
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It's a personal opinion, nothing more.
Just as I am judged by the religious for not believing in god, I have a right to judge them for doing the opposite. The difference is, according to the beliefs of most people of faith, I am destined for eternal damnation and hell for not following their chosen path. I think that is far more harsh than me thinking you're naive for believing in an unproven story of magic, when there is so much scientific research, that pretty much debunks everything said in any holy text.
Live and let live. Believe what you want, I couldn't care less, it's a free country. My opinion of it shouldn't matter to you, if you're convinced a man in the sky is judging your every move. My opinion is the least of your problems.
We're all going to be too busy shaking hands with friends to know where we are.
Quantum mechanics as a scientific field is one thing. Using quantum physics to explain that their might be an after life in other dimensions, some kind of life force energy etc., is the unscientific type of woo that is usually peddled by quacks such as Deepak Chopra.
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Quantum mechanics as a scientific is one thing. Using quantum physics to explain that their might be an after life in other dimensions, some kind of life force energy etc., is the unscientific type of woo that is usually peddled by quacks such as Deepak Chopra.
Quantum mechanics as a scientific is one thing. Using quantum physics to explain that their might be an after life in other dimensions, some kind of life force energy etc., is the unscientific type of woo that is usually peddled by quacks such as Deepak Chopra.
