Treliving June 13 - has made up his mind on coach. coach in place before draft

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by puckedoff

Sounds like they notified Yeo that he did not get head coach job so that he was able to finalize a deal with the Wild.

St.Louis, not the Wild. Memory reflex in action!

[ClubFlames]

Originally Posted by puckedoff

Sounds like they notified Yeo that he did not get head coach job so that he was able to finalize a deal with the Wild.

Blues.

[Gaskal]

You're fired!


Just kidding! You're hired again!

[Da_Chief]

Originally Posted by madmike

This team will be the laughingstock of the league if they hire Carlyle. I'd be fine with Gulutzan. Really anyone but Carlyle.

What a ridiculous statement. I don't want him but he's a respected hockey man. Would Anaheim be a laughingstock if they hired him?

[savemedrzaius]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

What a ridiculous statement. I don't want him but he's a respected hockey man. Would Anaheim be a laughingstock if they hired him?

Yes.

Edit: I am a respected hockey man, so I know what I am talking about.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

I find that when it comes to choices like this from a fan's perspective, priority number 1 seems to be that the team hire a coach that gives the other fan bases the least amount of ammunition to say negative things about the hire.

Thus the Carlyle fear. OMG, people will call it a Leafs Re-tread hire, how will I cope at the bar when I'm grabbing a drink with my Oiler buddies, or how will I manage the trolls on the interslice............I want someone else.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

Would Anaheim be a laughingstock if they hired him?

Yes. Well... I'd laugh at them if they did it anyways. It'd be not as much a laughingstock situation as if he were (god forbid) hired in Calgary, if he were hired here it'd be a continuence of the fact that no NHL team except one with Brian Burke as a top executive hires him.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

I find that when it comes to choices like this from a fan's perspective, priority number 1 seems to be that the team hire a coach that gives the other fan bases the least amount of ammunition to say negative things about the hire.

Thus the Carlyle fear. OMG, people will call it a Leafs Re-tread hire, how will I cope at the bar when I'm grabbing a drink with my Oiler buddies, or how will I manage the trolls on the interslice............I want someone else.

I think for Carlyle it's more that his teams have had some of the worst underlying stats since we have begun tracking them, less concern about what other fan bases think.

It would also be odd hire because he would be the exact opposite of a coach that Brad had originally described when Hartley was fired.

[savemedrzaius]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

I find that when it comes to choices like this from a fan's perspective, priority number 1 seems to be that the team hire a coach that gives the other fan bases the least amount of ammunition to say negative things about the hire.

Thus the Carlyle fear. OMG, people will call it a Leafs Re-tread hire, how will I cope at the bar when I'm grabbing a drink with my Oiler buddies, or how will I manage the trolls on the interslice............I want someone else.

All the stats point to Carlyle being a horrible coach. Anyone would be better than him.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Randy Carlyle, Glen Gulutzan or Todd Reirden.


https://twitter.com/WesGilbertson/st...395520?lang=en

[puckedoff]

Originally Posted by dammage79

St.Louis, not the Wild. Memory reflex in action!

Originally Posted by ClubFlames

Blues.

Originally Posted by Gaskal

You're fired!


Just kidding! You're hired again!

Right, right, and right.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Flip it!

Yeah, I think it'll be Gulutzan as the head coach with Carlyle as the associate coach.


Based on Treliving's comments this morning (and Yeo taking the St Louis job), I'd say they've made the offer and are just finalizing the contract. I bet we'll have a press conference by Wednesday.

[killer_carlson]

Reirden is a former Oiler, is he not?

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by savemedrzaius

All the stats point to Carlyle being a horrible coach. Anyone would be better than him.

Which stat is that? The I've won a Stanley Cup in the past decade stat?

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

I find that when it comes to choices like this from a fan's perspective, priority number 1 seems to be that the team hire a coach that gives the other fan bases the least amount of ammunition to say negative things about the hire.

Thus the Carlyle fear. OMG, people will call it a Leafs Re-tread hire, how will I cope at the bar when I'm grabbing a drink with my Oiler buddies, or how will I manage the trolls on the interslice............I want someone else.

I'm one that doesn't care about what others think. Enough good things going on with Calgary for that not to be an issue.

I'm not an insider, but i've seen enough from my armchair to see that he is a weak coach. My massive anti-Carlyle feelings are centered around

1) terrible possession numbers. they are brutal and not inline with what BT says he desires.

2) Comes across as unintelligent in interviews. My opinion. Very subjective. I know.

Is he the type of guy that leans too much on vets?

I think it is such a step backwards to hire Carlyle.

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

Reirden is a former Oiler, is he not?

Whoa whoa. What the?

[Finger Cookin]

I'm going to wait for the actual hire to be announced before overreacting to it. Radical, I know.

[savemedrzaius]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

Which stat is that? The I've won a Stanley Cup in the past decade stat?

I'm not sure what you are saying here...I was saying Carlyle was a bad coach, but this graph shows that he seems to have negative influence on his teams puck possession numbers.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

I'm one that doesn't care about what others think. Enough good things going on with Calgary for that not to be an issue.

I'm not an insider, but i've seen enough from my armchair to see that he is a weak coach. My massive anti-Carlyle feelings are centered around

1) terrible possession numbers. they are brutal and not inline with what BT says he desires.

2) Comes across as unintelligent in interviews. My opinion. Very subjective. I know.

Is he the type of guy that leans too much on vets?

I think it is such a step backwards to hire Carlyle.

We are all entitled to our opinions on this of course, and we all have them. Coaching though, is a very interesting one. It's simply much harder to evaluate from an armchair, then player performance.

Sure it's fair to say we can evaluate game management (at least to some degree) from our spot in the stands. But outside of that, it gets tough. Well over half of their jobs take place behind the scenes, we simply don't get to see it. Then with the stuff we do get to see, it becomes increasingly subjective or hard to determine the drivers. Was it an execution issue, or a strategy issue. If it's execution, is it a motivation or teaching issue, or is it just the players. If we don't like the stats, how much of that is the coach, how much of it is the players failing, or how much is it on management because they don't have the right players, or the right coach player fit?

Not saying we shouldn't have opinions, but coaching is a lot tougher to have a fully "educated" opinion on. I'm also not saying you do care what other's think, but I do say a lot of what is going on here is based around what others think. Carlyle is an easy choice to "slam" from our rival fans. He lacked success in the biggest hockey media market, he's viewed as old school, won't check the "progressive / new NHL" check box we all like to attach ourselves too before we have a chance to see the results play out.

A lot of the hate for Carlyle from the Flames fan base falls into the category of "I don't know if he's good or not, but I know he'll be controversial in the media and our rivals will have lots of ammunition to tell us this hire is no good..........therefore I don't like it."

[Demetric]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

I'm one that doesn't care about what others think. Enough good things going on with Calgary for that not to be an issue.

I'm not an insider, but i've seen enough from my armchair to see that he is a weak coach. My massive anti-Carlyle feelings are centered around

1) terrible possession numbers. they are brutal and not inline with what BT says he desires.

2) Comes across as unintelligent in interviews. My opinion. Very subjective. I know.

Is he the type of guy that leans too much on vets?

I think it is such a step backwards to hire Carlyle.

you have interviewed Carlyle?