Ongoing US Mass Shooting Thread

[icecube]

Gee, a whole week? The problem here is clear. Not enough guns. Everyone should be forced to carry a gun on their hip at all times.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Yeah Sandy Hook was the end of the debate so why even bring it up anymore? Waste of breath really.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

In so far as Sandy Hook proved nothing was going to happen, because once you've got 20 dead kids and no real change, you might as well throw in the towel... right?

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Yeah Sandy Hook was the end of the debate so why even bring it up anymore? Waste of breath really.

Exactly. Once inaction rendered it acceptable to shoot children, what was there left to say.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

In so far as Sandy Hook proved nothing was going to happen, because once you've got 20 dead kids and no real change, you might as well throw in the towel... right?

Right. Seriously, if 20 dead 8 year olds can't get anything done...that's that. Or maybe 50 dead 8 year olds might have done it? Nah probably not. The only thing that would come from 50 dead 8 year olds is every school in America would start arming every teacher and having kids wear kevlar T-shirts.

[burn_this_city]

The body count will never be high enough. The gun companies and their puppets have this debate finished.

[wittynickname]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

In so far as Sandy Hook proved nothing was going to happen, because once you've got 20 dead kids and no real change, you might as well throw in the towel... right?

And really, I'd imagine that the Venn diagram of people who are pro-NRA and anti-lgbt is a pretty heavy overlap. If those people weren't shaken by 20 innocent children, they sure aren't going to cate about 50 gay people/lgbt sympathizers.

It'll never change, no matter how tragic it is.

[pylon]

I've said it before. But the sad irony of all of this. As someone who despises guns, and firmly believes in strict gun control.... I would never live in the US and not be armed to the teeth. I would go against my own principles just to feel safe. Even though I know it probably doesn't. If I as a Canadian feel that way, think of how many reluctant gun owners there actually are in the US that are in the same position.

The NRA, allowing this terror to continue, has truly won of both sides. They are getting sweet, sweet profits for every bullet that kills an innocent person, and sweet profits from the terrified people wanted to protect themselves. I bet everyone at that orginization high fives and slaps butts, every time a massacre like this happens. It's a sick, disgusting, cycle.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by wittynickname

And really, I'd imagine that the Venn diagram of people who are pro-NRA and anti-lgbt is a pretty heavy overlap. If those people weren't shaken by 20 innocent children, they sure aren't going to cate about 50 gay people/lgbt sympathizers.

It'll never change, no matter how tragic it is.

That said, I bet that same diagram shows similar overlap between pro-NRA people and people who think radical Islam poses a serious threat in the United States... so maybe a few more "I killed these people for ISIS, Allahu Akbar" type shootings will move them to consider some thoughtful regulations? I mean, it'd probably move many of them toward a ban on Muslims rather than guns, I guess, but just being optimistic here.

[afc wimbledon]

I actually think that at some point in time the U.S. will do what they always do and massively over react to some shooting and ban anything and everything, ala prohibition and Mc carthy

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

I actually think that at some point in time the U.S. will do what they always do and massively over react to some shooting and ban anything and everything, ala prohibition and Mc carthy

not only are the odds of that happening infinitesimal, it would actually fall right in line with the crazy narrative and conspiracy theories that the extremists seem to buy into....

That big government is bad, they want to take away your rights, freedoms and especially guns...

they couldn't ban assault rifles after Sandy Hook... hell, they couldn't even muster the political will to limit magazine sizes!!!

the US is too far gone that path... mass shootings are now as acceptable as highway accidents. And like those, you just hope you aren't in the wrong place at the wrong time...

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

I actually think that at some point in time the U.S. will do what they always do and massively over react to some shooting and ban anything and everything, ala prohibition and Mc carthy

There is no political mechanism left to do that. After prohibition, corporate entities moved hard to prevent something like that from happening again.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

There is no political mechanism left to do that. After prohibition, corporate entities moved hard to prevent something like that from happening again.

There was no political mechanism for banning ex members of the communist party from working in the film industry either but it happened.

The U.S. has a history of knee jerk reactions to various perceived threats, I can see a republican Trump like candidate realizing that the country is terrified and looking for a simple solution and realizing he can ride that wave to the White House, I'm not saying that it will happen any time soon, but it will be utterly unpredictable when it does happen.

Americans are mostly unhappy with the gun laws, they want to keep their own guns because they're scared of their neighbours but they would be happy to see everyone else have their guns banned.

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

There was no political mechanism for banning ex members of the communist party from working in the film industry either but it happened.

The U.S. has a history of knee jerk reactions to various perceived threats, I can see a republican Trump like candidate realizing that the country is terrified and looking for a simple solution and realizing he can ride that wave to the White House, I'm not saying that it will happen any time soon, but it will be utterly unpredictable when it does happen.

Americans are mostly unhappy with the gun laws, they want to keep their own guns because they're scared of their neighbours but they would be happy to see everyone else have their guns banned.

not sure where you are getting this notion?

gun sales have only increased with the Obama administration, because of the narrative that the government is going to "take away your guns"... people rail against having background checks at guns shows as somehow, "limiting their freedoms"...

From everything I've seen, a large and vocal segment of Americans want their guns and wouldn't give them up at any cost... they consider it as inalienable as any other rights as guaranteed by the Constitution.

[MoneyGuy]

Anyone know the numbers of mass shootings in Canada, say in the last 20 years?

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

not sure where you are getting this notion?

gun sales have only increased with the Obama administration, because of the narrative that the government is going to "take away your guns"... people rail against having background checks at guns shows as somehow, "limiting their freedoms"...

From everything I've seen, a large and vocal segment of Americans want their guns and wouldn't give them up at any cost... they consider it as inalienable as any other rights as guaranteed by the Constitution.

All the polling I've seen says a vast majority of Americans are unhappy with the state of gun crime and think something needs to be done about it but do not want to lose their access to guns because they need them to feel safe, if at some point in time the sheer number of these incidents causes Americans not to feel safe even with their own guns things could turn around in a hurry.
Even the tenor of conversations has changed recently, gun nuts tend to not even bother with the old stand bys of 'it's the American way' or 'freedom from government tyranny' mostly they argue 'there are too many guns out there so there's no point in gun control'.
That's a huge change that invites the obvious challenge that if the government could take away all the guns they would go along with it.
Remember the last big gun limit, the automatic weapon ban, came about because Black Panthers started marching around with guns.
Once you are forced to recognize your greatest fear, black dudes ISIS will use your loose gun laws against you it gets harder to defend them without looking like you are defending them.

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

All the polling I've seen says a vast majority of Americans are unhappy with the state of gun crime and think something needs to be done about it but do not want to lose their access to guns because they need them to feel safe, if at some point in time the sheer number of these incidents causes Americans not to feel safe even with their own guns things could turn around in a hurry.
Even the tenor of conversations has changed recently, gun nuts tend to not even bother with the old stand bys of 'it's the American way' or 'freedom from government tyranny' mostly they argue 'there are too many guns out there so there's no point in gun control'.
That's a huge change that invites the obvious challenge that if the government could take away all the guns they would go along with it.
Remember the last big gun limit, the automatic weapon ban, came about because Black Panthers started marching around with guns.
Once you are forced to recognize your greatest fear, black dudes ISIS will use your loose gun laws against you it gets harder to defend them without looking like you are defending them.

its my understanding that the federal assault weapon ban of 1994 was the direct result of a school shooting in stockton california, where 5 children were killed and 34 teachers and students were wounded....

never heard anything about black panthers since the 60s.

that particular ban only lasted 10 years and then failed to get renewed by congress in 2004... clearly, either those elected officials chose not to listen to their constituents or there simply wasn't enough public pressure to force congress to renew the bill.

the former suggests the power of the gun lobby, while the latter suggests that there isn't a large public outcry against guns. Incidentally, that AWB did limit magazine sizes as well...

i think americans would be happy with "common sense" gun laws, like trying to limit assault weapons, reducing magazine clips etc... However i think that most americans, including many Democrats would never support any kind of ban approaching countries like Austrailia, UK and Canada...

i happen to think its too late for gun control myself, but I find it bizarre how the NRA has a Svengali like hold over americans using the 2nd Amendment as as a truncheon against anyone that dares suggests limitations to access

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

There was no political mechanism for banning ex members of the communist party from working in the film industry either but it happened.

The U.S. has a history of knee jerk reactions to various perceived threats, I can see a republican Trump like candidate realizing that the country is terrified and looking for a simple solution and realizing he can ride that wave to the White House, I'm not saying that it will happen any time soon, but it will be utterly unpredictable when it does happen.

Americans are mostly unhappy with the gun laws, they want to keep their own guns because they're scared of their neighbours but they would be happy to see everyone else have their guns banned.

You realize you're actually suggesting that the US political establishment will somehow allow itself to embargo a large sector of the military industrial complex that effectively steers public policy already?

This is like suggesting the pharmaceutical industry will let the FDA ban the sale of opiates.

I mean, at this point, c'mon.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

You realize you're actually suggesting that the US political establishment will somehow allow itself to embargo a large sector of the military industrial complex that effectively steers public policy already?

This is like suggesting the pharmaceutical industry will let the FDA ban the sale of opiates.

I mean, at this point, c'mon.

Hey I'm trying to be hopeful here, a massive right wing take over of the U.S. body politic leading to a police state is all I've got!

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by MoneyGuy

Anyone know the numbers of mass shootings in Canada, say in the last 20 years?

I believe it's 7. And one mass stabbing.