06-12-2016, 02:19 PM
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#141
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never mind, found it
Last edited by MoneyGuy; 06-12-2016 at 02:37 PM.
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06-12-2016, 02:19 PM
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#142
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Originally Posted by JiriHrdina
The point is make it HARDER for people do this stuff. How on earth do you not get that?
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If you can't prevent it all it's not worth preventing any of it, amirite?
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06-12-2016, 02:21 PM
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#143
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Originally Posted by JiriHrdina
The point is make it HARDER for people do this stuff. How on earth do you not get that?
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Oh I get it. The point is I don't agree with your argument. I disagree that it will make it harder.
School shooting absolutely would be more difficult to achieve. Act of terrorism with massive casualties not so much when historically the existence of terrorism is not dependent on guns.
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06-12-2016, 02:22 PM
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#144
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Originally Posted by afc wimbledon
Don't be obtuse, ISIS in Iraq was using left over munitions and their IED's were being built by ex Iraqi army munitions experts.
There aren't unexplored cluster bombs scattered around the U.S.
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Quoted in case anyone (someone) missed it.
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06-12-2016, 02:23 PM
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#145
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Not Taylor
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Calgary SW
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Originally Posted by AcGold
Oh I get it. The point is I don't agree with your main point. I disagree that it will make it harder.
School shooting absolutely would be more difficult to achieve. Act of terrorism with massive casualties not so much.
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So far it looks like this was an act of terrorism by a lone wolf without any military/terrorist training. I doubt this guy would've done the damage he did if he didn't have the guns to do it with.
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06-12-2016, 02:23 PM
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#146
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Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Calgary
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Bomb making materials are highly monitored, gun purchase are not. It's infinitely easier to pull off a mass shooting than a bombing.
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06-12-2016, 02:23 PM
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#147
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I believe in the Pony Power
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Originally Posted by AcGold
Oh I get it. The point is I don't agree with your argument. I disagree that it will make it harder.
School shooting absolutely would be more difficult to achieve. Act of terrorism with massive casualties not so much when historically the existence of terrorism is not dependent on guns.
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So you don't believe if this guy wasn't able to just go out and purchase the weapons he did, even though he had been flagged by FBI, that he would not have been able to pull this off as easily as he did?
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06-12-2016, 02:24 PM
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#148
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Originally Posted by MoneyGuy
Anyone have a source for what I'm reading on Twitter that there have been seven mass shootings in the U.S. since Monday?
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This might be what you're looking for.
http://massshootingtracker.org/data
Last edited by jschick88; 06-12-2016 at 02:26 PM.
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06-12-2016, 02:24 PM
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#149
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Right, it was simply an analogy. Being obtuse means to not take a point. I 100% understand the argument I just fundamentally disagree with it.
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Originally Posted by JiriHrdina
So you don't believe if this guy wasn't able to just go out and purchase the weapons he did, even though he had been flagged by FBI, that he would not have been able to pull this off as easily as he did?
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That's a loaded argument that discounts all the factors in the scenario. The truth is you don't know the answer to the question and neither do I. Hypotheticals don't prove anything.
Are guns a problem? Obviously. A minor one in comparison to the globally shifting landscape that produces religious fanaticism and cultural divides.
Last edited by AcGold; 06-12-2016 at 02:28 PM.
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06-12-2016, 02:27 PM
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#150
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I believe in the Pony Power
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What do you disagree with? That taking steps to make it harder for these mass shootings to be done isn't the right course? Or that making gun acquisitio more difficult won't have any impact?
I just have no idea how to grasp this mentality.
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06-12-2016, 02:27 PM
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#151
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Not Taylor
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Calgary SW
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Originally Posted by jschick88
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It's beyond crazy how little we hear of these. Since the beginning of May, there have been 4 incidents where 5 people have died in each and I don't remember hearing of any of them.
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06-12-2016, 02:29 PM
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#152
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Originally Posted by JiriHrdina
What do you disagree with? That taking steps to make it harder for these mass shootings to be done isn't the right course? Or that making gun acquisitio more difficult won't have any impact?
I just have no idea how to grasp this mentality.
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It won't effect terrorism.
Logically would reduce school shootings.
Can't spell it any more clearly than that. I'm just as curious how this guy got an assault rifle while being on a watchlist.
Last edited by AcGold; 06-12-2016 at 02:31 PM.
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06-12-2016, 02:37 PM
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#153
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Originally Posted by Cameron Swift
It's beyond crazy how little we hear of these. Since the beginning of May, there have been 4 incidents where 5 people have died in each and I don't remember hearing of any of them.
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Unless you watch local news you won't hear about traffic accidents either.
It's no longer politically expedient for corporate media entities to remind the American public of how powerless they are to change their own society.
The majority of americans have been in favour of increased gun control regulation since the 90s. Almost 30 years.
It's usually a pretty significant sign of political dysfunction when a population consistently polls for something that their elected officials never implement.
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06-12-2016, 02:38 PM
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#154
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Originally Posted by jschick88
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Yes, I found it after I posted. Thanks.
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06-12-2016, 02:38 PM
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#155
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This just keeps getting weirder.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...3845&tid=ss_tw
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The father of Omar Mateen, identified by police as the man behind the carnage at an Orlando nightclub early Sunday morning, is an Afghan man who holds strong political views, including support for the Afghan Taliban. In a video he posted on Saturday, he appears to be portraying himself as the president of Afghanistan... In one video, Mateen expresses gratitude toward the Afghan Taliban, while denouncing the Pakistani government.
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06-12-2016, 02:38 PM
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#156
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Join Date: Jul 2014
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Originally Posted by AcGold
It won't effect terrorism.
Logically would reduce school shootings.
Can't spell it any more clearly than that.
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If this nut job didn't have unfettered access to guns, this tragedy could've been avoided or minimized. I'm not sure why you think more restrictions wouldn't have helped here.
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06-12-2016, 02:39 PM
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#157
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Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: On your last nerve...:D
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There's a vigil/gathering at Olympic Plaza tonight at 9 pm. My family is going. I'm sure it will be poo-pooed as an ineffective response to what's happened but I frankly don't care. Our child is gay and faces this possibility every time some doooshnozzle gets a wild hair up their backend about 'the gayz' so we're going to support her and remember those lives lost because of some dinkhead.
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06-12-2016, 02:39 PM
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#158
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AcGold
It won't effect terrorism.
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Really? If it was harder for this guy to acquire firearms, that wouldn't have reduced his ability to commit this mass shooting? Sure, maybe he'd use a knife or another weapon instead if he was truly hell-bent on killing gay people, but there certainly wouldn't be 50+ fatalities in that scenario.
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Logically would reduce school shootings.
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So you agree that stricter gun control would reduce gun violence in the US. Why are you still arguing with everyone else in this thread then?
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06-12-2016, 02:43 PM
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#159
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AcGold
It won't effect terrorism.
Logically would reduce school shootings.
Can't spell it any more clearly than that. I'm just as curious how this guy got an assault rifle while being on a watchlist.
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He was able to purchase guns because the NRA won and had a bill that would restrict gun sales to watch list individuals voted down. Probably time for an anti NRA lobby would be able to counteract the NRA by matching or doubling what the NRA is paying out. Lobby groups suck, but it might be the only way to start moving in a sensible direction.
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06-12-2016, 02:48 PM
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#160
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Medicine Hat
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Originally Posted by jschick88
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It is heart-wrenching to scroll down that page, despite the fact I know essentially nothing about the personal stories involved in any of those shootings.
And to think that's only showing 2016... so far. Our southern neighbours have some serious issues to figure out. 
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