About 50 people killed at gay nightclub in Florida

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

The families of the 50+ victims are in shock and mourning, and Trump "appreciates the congrats for being right". Christ, what an a-hole.



https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...34549232766976

At this point it's becoming clear Trump is undergoing to most public dementia episode we've ever seen. He needs to be psychologically evaluated to determine his fitness to be in public and not a mental institution.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by peter12

As an aside, the ban actually makes a great deal of sense.

As an aside, take today off from trolling pete. Thanks.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by peter12

As an aside, the ban actually makes a great deal of sense.

No, it's not. It's based on anti-science, homophobia and fear. All donated blood goes through stringent HIV testing that is leaps and bounds ahead of where it was 30 years ago.

Edit: Apparently this is an FDA policy and not a Florida law, so my apologies on that one.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by peter12

As an aside, the ban actually makes a great deal of sense.

Maybe you could have de-troll-acized that a bit more.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by llwhiteoutll

Canadian Blood Services does it too, just to a lesser extent, 5 year deferral for gay men after last sexual contact.

Yeah, it's ridiculous. Why are two gay men who have been a long term monogamous relationship considered more unsafe than straight and sexually promiscuous people?

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

What's the difference?



You really don't get that Islamicist terrorists are religious fundamentalists, and that religious fundamentalists hate homosexuality?

The traditional Arab world has a complicated relationship with homosexuality.
It's both castigated and massively engaged in, much like jail.

[Rejean31]

Originally Posted by llwhiteoutll

Would you support an ban on a select fire AR-15s capable of automatic fire and allow the use of semi-auto rifles by civilians for hunting and sport shooting?

Also, a buyback would probably run about $3,700,000,000

So is that the price you put on 50 lost lives?

[Azure]

Again, simply putting a 'ban' on guns isn't enough to keep them off the streets.

There is a person shot in Chicago every 2.5 hours. Most of it is due to gang violence. The media has stopped reported on it because its getting old. No amount of gun laws will keep gang members from obtaining firearms and shooting people. We need to go back to the root cause of the violence, and a lot of it is based on poverty and the drug war.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by rubecube

No, it's not. It's based on anti-science, homophobia and fear. All donated blood goes through stringent HIV testing that is leaps and bounds ahead of where it was 30 years ago.

Edit: Apparently this is an FDA policy and not a Florida law, so my apologies on that one.

I actually think this is a time for solidarity, and community-wide donations should certainly be a big part of it.

No, the reason for the policy is absolutely not homophobic, and definitely not anti-science.

There is still a window between infection, and when the tests can reliably identify antibodies to the virus - typically 6 weeks, but safely at 3 months. Antigen testing is effective 5 days after infection, but would be prohibitively expensive for every donation.

Promiscuous gay men are still the single group most at risk for infection. By disallowing gay men who are celibate for 5 years, you eliminate a great deal of possible infections.

The ban extends to many other groups as well.

EDIT: Looks like last year that the FDA revised the deferral period for 1 year of celibacy for gay men.

[karl262]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

This is emotionally distressing.

Who cares how it is defined? What a stupid thing to debate. It's a hate crime, terrorism, extremism, et all. All of it. But it's irrelevant because honestly how does the label of the act change the act in any way?

Guns are stupid. The purpose guns serve as recreational tools does not outweigh the danger access to them poses. I'm sorry, I don't really give a #### if you're willing to let 50 people get slaughtered so you can go skeet shooting or bag that trophy Buck. Grow up. Banning guns is obvious to the point where people who argue against it are selfish, idiotic, full of hate, or some combination of the three.

Recently, there has been this feeling that it's easier than ever to be LGBT. That it's "chic" or whatever. Yeah, that's great and it might be easier lately, but you know what? Talk to me when seeing two men kiss doesn't inspire the killing of 50 innocent people at a gay club. Hate crimes against gay people didn't go away just because you threw us a marriage bone.

What a life.

Because establishing a motive is a critical part of any serious criminal investigation. It helps the public and investigators wrap their heads around what happened, among other things.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Yeah, it's ridiculous. Why are two gay men who have been a long term monogamous relationship considered more unsafe than straight and sexually promiscuous people?

They aren't. If you are sexually promiscuous, and have unprotected heterosexual contact, you are barred from donating.

[calumniate]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

As an aside, take today off from trolling pete. Thanks.

Thank you for saying this, because I was about to be slightly less articulate. Ugh

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

I strongly doubt Canadian Blood Services would maintain a policy that limits blood donations unless there was a scientific basis for it. Particularly not on grounds of sexual orientation. I've always understood it to be limitations on testing / risk analysis.

[ComixZone]

Paris (130 deaths), Brussels (32 deaths), Orlando (50 deaths).

ISIL, ISIS...whatever. Gun control is a problem. American gun control sucks, but it is not the root cause of these evil acts.

Reformation is required.

[troutman]

1,500 already lined-up in Orlando to give blood.

[afc wimbledon]

I'm not allowed to donate blood either, being a Brit, which frankly was a huge relief in the end, it was taking hours.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

I strongly doubt Canadian Blood Services would maintain a policy that limits blood donations unless there was a scientific basis for it. Particularly not on grounds of sexual orientation. I've always understood it to be limitations on testing / risk analysis.

Let's not let rational sensibility get in the way of sentimental posturing.

[TheScorpion]

Jesus. What a horrible act.

Also, what the hell, Trump?

[calumniate]

Originally Posted by peter12

Let's not let rational sensibility get in the way of sentimental posturing.

Next you're going to say this was a humanitarian act, cause Jesus. Don't you have a cold or something. Stop your drivelling

[peter12]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

This is emotionally distressing.

Who cares how it is defined? What a stupid thing to debate. It's a hate crime, terrorism, extremism, et all. All of it. But it's irrelevant because honestly how does the label of the act change the act in any way?

Guns are stupid. The purpose guns serve as recreational tools does not outweigh the danger access to them poses. I'm sorry, I don't really give a #### if you're willing to let 50 people get slaughtered so you can go skeet shooting or bag that trophy Buck. Grow up. Banning guns is obvious to the point where people who argue against it are selfish, idiotic, full of hate, or some combination of the three.

Recently, there has been this feeling that it's easier than ever to be LGBT. That it's "chic" or whatever. Yeah, that's great and it might be easier lately, but you know what? Talk to me when seeing two men kiss doesn't inspire the killing of 50 innocent people at a gay club. Hate crimes against gay people didn't go away just because you threw us a marriage bone.

What a life.

I sympathize very much with your community. I can't imagine how this makes basically anyone who publicly identifies as LGBT - probably something a magnitude larger than terrified.

These acts - heinous and daunting as they are - are still outliers. Most of this society cares for the dignity, and individual worth of LGBT person.

I really don't know how to understand what has just happened though. Really don't.