2016 NHL Draft

[puckedoff]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

Would it be worth our while to trade 6th for 5th. If the Canucks want Brown, they could pick up another 2nd and still get their man but it would guarantee we get one of the top five.

Good luck trying to trade a 2nd rounder to Benning. He hates them!

[The Big Chill]

I can't see CBJ trading the pick. If they really are convinced that Brown is a franchise centre, then they won't risk not getting him by dropping below EDM. It would be a complete disaster for them if they traded the third pick, and then another team that loves Brown trades with EDM to take him.

My guess is that they stay at #3 and pick JP, taking value over need. The 4th pick is where it gets really interesting. If the rumours that MTL loves Brown are true, then they would make a very sensible trading partner at 4 with EDM. MTL gets Brown at 4, and the Oilers get one of the three D at 9.

This scenario works nicely for us too, with one of Dubois or Tkachuk falling to us.

[1qqaaz]

Why wouldn't Calgary and Columbus make a trade after Puljujarvi was already picked? There wouldn't be as much risk.
If it was Calgary's turn to pick, and Brown was still on the board, Calgary could trade for Puljujarvi.

[FlameZilla]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Why wouldn't Calgary and Columbus make a trade after Puljujarvi and Brown were already picked? There wouldn't be as much risk.
If it was Calgary's turn to pick, and Brown was still on the board, Calgary could trade for Puljujarvi.

I was thinking that as well.

The only stumbling block I could see is that Columbus might be able to get a better or more NHL ready centre if they were dangling Puljujarvi league-wide.

If they're really that keen on Brown then perhaps there's a deal there to be done.

[Par]

"Sixth overall pick produced talented NHLers over last five years".


http://flames.nhl.com/club/m_news.htm?id=885281

[Hackey]

I think it's wishful thinking that we either trade for #3 or Puljujarvi. Even Dubois or Tkachuk seems unlikely. I'm trying to just accept that the top 5 will be gone and hope that the Flames scouts nail the 6th pick. We know there will be some great players in that next tier we just need to make sure we grab one of them. Could likely be the most important pick of the rebuild. If somehow we can swing something for one of those top 5 or one falls to us I will be extremely happy but I just don't see it.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Why wouldn't Calgary and Columbus make a trade after Puljujarvi was already picked? There wouldn't be as much risk.
If it was Calgary's turn to pick, and Brown was still on the board, Calgary could trade for Puljujarvi.

If Columbus likes Brown that much, they'll just take him at 3. No GM is going to mess around taking the player they don't want in hopes that they can trade him 3 picks later.

Look at Florida in 2013. All the experts had Barkov behind Jones and Drouin, but they liked Barkov, so that's who they took.

[FlameZilla]

Originally Posted by Hackey

I think it's wishful thinking that we either trade for #3 or Puljujarvi. Even Dubois or Tkachuk seems unlikely. I'm trying to just accept that the top 5 will be gone and hope that the Flames scouts nail the 6th pick. We know there will be some great players in that next tier we just need to make sure we grab one of them. Could likely be the most important pick of the rebuild. If somehow we can swing something for one of those top 5 or one falls to us I will be extremely happy but I just don't see it.

Healthy scepticism here, and it's great to temper expectations, but anything could happen on draft day. Treliving proved last year that he was capable of making big moves with the Hamilton trade. I expect him to be proactive in improving the team again this time.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by The Big Chill

I can't see CBJ trading the pick. If they really are convinced that Brown is a franchise centre, then they won't risk not getting him by dropping below EDM. It would be a complete disaster for them if they traded the third pick, and then another team that loves Brown trades with EDM to take him.

My guess is that they stay at #3 and pick JP, taking value over need. The 4th pick is where it gets really interesting. If the rumours that MTL loves Brown are true, then they would make a very sensible trading partner at 4 with EDM. MTL gets Brown at 4, and the Oilers get one of the three D at 9.

This scenario works nicely for us too, with one of Dubois or Tkachuk falling to us.

Montreal does not have what the Oilers are looking for to trade down and that is an established D man that can step in now to help. Subban is not in play so unless the Habs make another deal somehow they really have nothing enticing for Edmonton.

[The Big Chill]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Montreal does not have what the Oilers are looking for to trade down and that is an established D man that can step in now to help. Subban is not in play so unless the Habs make another deal somehow they really have nothing enticing for Edmonton.

It would likely be a trade involving only draft picks. EDM drafts the Dman they need and pick up an extra pick or two in the process.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by puckedoff

Good luck trying to trade a 2nd rounder to Benning. He hates them!

That's not what my quote and link said.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Montreal does not have what the Oilers are looking for to trade down and that is an established D man that can step in now to help. Subban is not in play so unless the Habs make another deal somehow they really have nothing enticing for Edmonton.

PK Subban certainly sounds like he may be in play.

[Erratik]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

PK Subban certainly sounds like he may be in play.

There is zero chance he moves unless the Oilers massively overpay. Most of it is media BS for clicks and ratings.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Well they played together so Gaudreau's struggles and Monahan's struggles on the road are closely related. Both struggle when having to face the best shutdown players on the other team, the most physical, hard-nosed defenders. Both Monahan and Gaudreau badly need a power forward on their line to win board battles, drive the net taking defenders with him, while having the skill to finish and set them up. If we've got a power forward able to make a play while a defender is draped on him it makes that line so much harder to shut down.

Obviously both of them would benefit with us having a great 2nd line but Gaudreau is likely to face the best checkers of the opposition for most of his career so he still needs to fight through that. How would it be easiest for Gaudreau to fit through tight checking? By having a bigger winger on his opposite wing who has skill and power.

I'm of the opinion that Gaudreau-Monahan-Tkachuk could be the best line in the league in a couple years. Dubois could fit that line as well.

Gaudreau has proven historically to be able to learn and adapt to adjust his game for the better.

I'd bet he does better next season but if the Flames do put a rugged power foward guy on his line, the source of his improvement will be misplaced.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

PK Subban certainly sounds like he may be in play.

Not according to this.
http://www.thescore.com/news/1040935

[Lanny_McDonald]

I'm at the point where I will be satisfied with whoever the Flames select at number 6, even if its *gasp* Nylander. Where things get interesting is the 2nd round. I think this will make or break the draft for the Flames. There have been some good names slide a bit and fall to where we might get a couple players we thought we would have no chance at a few short weeks ago. If we can get one of the highly touted players early, then grab two or three of Max Jones, Julien Gauthier, Riley Tufte, Taylor Raddysh and Nathan Bastian I would call the draft a success. Jones would be awesome as I think he is a blossoming power forward, in the true sense of the word. Gauthier is a massive body that does nothing but finish. I could see him flourishing on the right side with either Monahan or Bennett as his center. Tufte is another big body with great hands, often compared to Bjugstad. Would be a very nice complimentary piece on the 2nd line. Raddysh and Bastian are both garbage men and play that role well. They both like the front of the net and are hard to move. Good complimentary guys likely destined for 3rd line duty, but can do the job on the PP as well. Some really interesting pieces there. I hope we come away with a haul!

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by New Era

Some really interesting pieces there. I hope we come away with a haul!

Tree and Conroy after the draft.

[Caged Great]

It seems that most of the guys after 20 or so are either mediocre and big, or are small and skilled with a few that are averaged sized and talented.

There are a few players that I wouldn't mind at 35, guys like Tyler Benson, Alex DeBrincat, Will Bitten, Jordan Kyrou, Joey Anderson, and Cameron Morrison. I don't think any of Tufte, Raddysh, or Bastian will amount to much, with the latter two being players that I think will bust outright. Playing with great players leads to excellent and heavily inflated stats. If it wasn't for their linemates, I doubt Raddysh or Bastian would be picked before the 4th or 5th round. Beware of the Nemisz effect. (Raddysh plays with Strome and Debrincat, Bastian with Nylander and McLeod)

With the picks at 54, 56, and 66 I think there should be a few interesting options. Perhaps one or two of the guys above slide that far, plus the three goalies Hart/Fitzpatrick/Woll, and guys like Dahlen, Johansen.

I doubt that the Flames will have more than 3 picks in the first three rounds, likely using some to either trade up or to trade for a goalie.

[jmac98]

Originally Posted by New Era

I'm at the point where I will be satisfied with whoever the Flames select at number 6, even if its *gasp* Nylander. Where things get interesting is the 2nd round. I think this will make or break the draft for the Flames. There have been some good names slide a bit and fall to where we might get a couple players we thought we would have no chance at a few short weeks ago. If we can get one of the highly touted players early, then grab two or three of Max Jones, Julien Gauthier, Riley Tufte, Taylor Raddysh and Nathan Bastian I would call the draft a success. Jones would be awesome as I think he is a blossoming power forward, in the true sense of the word. Gauthier is a massive body that does nothing but finish. I could see him flourishing on the right side with either Monahan or Bennett as his center. Tufte is another big body with great hands, often compared to Bjugstad. Would be a very nice complimentary piece on the 2nd line. Raddysh and Bastian are both garbage men and play that role well. They both like the front of the net and are hard to move. Good complimentary guys likely destined for 3rd line duty, but can do the job on the PP as well. Some really interesting pieces there. I hope we come away with a haul!

I was surprised to see Gauthier fall so far in Button's report. And just from March. That's quite a drastic change in such a short sample pool. On the flip side, it can only help a team like Calgary. Maybe they manage him with a second round pick, which would suit me just fine.

[Caged Great]

I would assume that if Gauthier is there at 25 or so, that the Flames will attempt to trade up from 35 to get him, but I don't see them paying the price to go higher than that.