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Originally Posted by polak
As for my last comment, I'm not going to apologize for speaking my mind. Despite the reputation Alberta has, not once in my life had I ever felt that it was earned or felt any sort of shame about my fellow Albertans. Fast forward to the 2015 recession and it's staggering how many people crawled out of the woodwork to bash anything related to the government with PURELY selfish, take your hand out of my pocket reasoning.
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What the blue hell are you talking about. Suddenly its selfish point of view to criticize a government that is not only spend happy, but deaf, who has an incompetent finance minister who pulls his budget out of the air using figures pulled out of his a$$. To have a premiere that doesn't listen to anyone, appoints hacks to key positions, refuses to look at the bad spending habits that not only carried forth from the last government but put a brick on the gas pedal and pointed it at a cliff.
And you're doing the typical thing with the whole reputation that Alberta has Bullsh%t. Oh let me guess, we're all redneck hating, big guberment hating, anti immigrant we hate the French two left footed, bad country music listening homosexual hating pickup truck driving skinny jean wearing a$$holes.
Its the typical reponse from so call "Progressive thinkers" who are too willing to blanket themselves in stereotyping and fiction.
You clearly don't understand why people in this province are completely utterly upset, and are completely and utterly pissed off by this tone deaf government who seem to be so captured by their ideological platform that they are doing far more to destroy what's left of this struggling economy then actually taking the time to put some thought into what they're doing.
You frankly really pissed me off in a big way with the whole refugee hating line, when this province has accepted about 3000 Syrian Refugees, On top of that this province was accepting about 30,000 migrants during the height of the PC government, and now because the NDP has done such a fine job of helping the economic slide that number has been reduced by 2/3rds. So what the hell, during the height of the Red neck palace we were accepting people from different provinces and countries at a higher rate then we're doing now.
When you label anyone that citizens stupid tax increases and an even dumber carbon tax grab as selfish, it says a lot about you and your opinions.
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Originally Posted by polak
can't have a conversation with your average Albertan anymore unless the only thing that comes out of your mouth is "Man #### the NDP, LOWER MY TAXES" or the gloves come off. It's funny you'll talk to these people about the faults of the PC's and they try to blame the average Albertan for not demanding higher taxes but then when a political party is voted in that actually does that, everyone loses their collective minds.
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I tend to think that the conversations go this way for you, because you don't have listening skills, and are basically the guy screaming randomly from the top of the soap box to make yourself heard. People are screaming about higher taxes because frankly they're going beyond just "Raising taxes". When you have business owners being squeezed or sucker punched from every direction, when you see tax increases over the course of time from 2001 to now far outstripping inflation, and you see a government under the NDP and Conservatives bloating and spending like drunken sailors what do you think the response is going to be?
On top of that when you see the government trying to sell a carbon tax like this based around half truths of the real costs to people are you surprised by the response? Get serious.
When you see a government that makes job creation promises and using increases in taxes to fund it, then they basically kill those programs but leave the tax increases in place what do you expect?
When you see a government pushing through a badly conceived and designed bill like Bill 6, and then the premiere laughs about it at a NDP function, while MLA's laugh at the opposition after the vote, what the hell do you expect to have people responding with. High Fives and jumping belly bumps?
When you see the government bringing in Union hacks to negotiate with the Unions, you can understand why we have a negative view of this government. As stupid and corrupt as the PC's were at the end of their reign, this government is well on their way to surpassing them on the arrogance and stupidity due to bad candidates scale of things incredibly quickly.
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Originally Posted by polak
It's a shame that progressive thinking individuals who are willing to pay more for the betterment of the population as a whole are now being scared away from supporting their beliefs because they are being bombarded by anti-left messages every where they look when in reality, the biggest factor by far for all of the hurting in this province right now is out of the government's control and has nothing to do with their political beliefs. All the government could do to make people happy right now is nothing. The only way for the NDP to satisfy people is to just to sit there and be a lame duck government that doesn't try to achieve any campaign provinces.
It's really disappointing but now it's easy to see where the reputation came from.
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Ok, as soon as people start labelling themselves as progressive thinkers I have to wonder about your definition of it. Because it blindly taxes and stupid spending is progressive thinking its not that progressive. If creating a blatant tax grab for general revenue and having no process in place for it to actually be used towards environmental technologies is progressive, then its not progressive. You refuse to see that there has to be a middle line, and at the end of the day taxation, and especially blatant taxation with uncontrollable spending is actually a fairly economic regressive line of thinking. The fact is that for a lot of progressive thinkers that I know and have discussions with it seems like economic progressive is let the government throw more and more money at it and either hope it fixes itself or they can throw their hands up and say "We're doing something"
The fact is that progressive economic thinking has utterly failed to fix things like the health care system, or thinks like and its outside of the realm of provincial government the native reservation system, or even frankly fixed the environment. The whole tax more and throw money at the problem is a failure, its the whole dig up stupid logical fallacy.
Its no longer good enough to just tax because you need money, and you don't care about the efficient delivery of services. If your taking money out of peoples pockets and pissing it away without looking at why it fails then its not progressive thinking.
Progressive thinkers should be the guys that look at both sides of the equation. How do we make the system better in terms of manpower and design, and how much do we need to do it.
As it stands now, its seems like Progressive thinkers are if we pay more, society will get better.
Conservatives think if we tax less and cut more services will become more efficient and people will have more cash.
Both sides of the equation are wrong and full of complete ####. Now its
Progressives are tax everyone to death, keep raising them experimentally until enough people squeal and then throw money around and say "We're doing something while mashing a keyboard like a really stupid seal"
Conservatives are keep cutting til there's a bare minimum so called super efficient delivery, let people keep their money because the government is generally incompetent and people will be able to spend on what they want and need.
Again both sides are full of utter s%%%
Personally I don't care what you think this province's reputation is, because no matter what we do or say to you we're going to have that reputation. Maybe we do drink enough yop, or buy enough Latte's or are willing to be blindly taxed into the ground for no good return on this investment. But sitting there and basically making this reputation in your mind with what you said in the post highlighted and the previous one with your smartA44 immigrants go away comment or whatever the hell it was is stupid and untrue, and surprisingly for a "Progressive thinking" broadly stereotypical.
