Crowchild Trail Upgrade Concepts

[cam_wmh]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Traffic needs to flow freely along 16th from 19th street down to Bowness.

They'd need another overpass at 29th St too then.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by cam_wmh

They'd need another overpass at 29th St too then.

The plans show that they are eliminating the lights at 29th.

[DFO]

Originally Posted by MattyC

Traffic circles are always a more elegant solution than lights. The more we use them, the better.

If you look at the roads underneath, it's not really less complicated.

The average Calgary driver is too stupid to properly navigate a traffic circle

[Bunk]

I can't see the tunnel option being a good idea.

[I-Hate-Hulse]

Originally Posted by Regulator75

Some of those rich folks along Crowchild will be fighting any development tooth and nail.

Heaven forbid that they get disrupted.

If you look at the area, most "new" developments have stopped within 2-3 lots from Crowchild, presumably as people know it's going to get appropriate the land. These lots are mostly for setback, not roads so I suspect the "rich" houses will not be raised. They may need some serious sound barrier work though.

Looking at Google Maps, there's one new infill on Broadview (2 25 ft lots) that will torn down if the non tunnel options goes ahead.

[Table 5]

Is it just me, or is there no way to get from east-bound Bow Trail to Crowchild Trail...even in the longterm plan? Maybe I'm missing something, but that seems like a pretty big oversight.

Btw, all this stuff is exactly why the City has to be smart with projects like CalgaryNEXT. These are some seriously expensive endeavours.

[Bunk]

Originally Posted by Table 5

Is it just me, or is there no way to get from east-bound Bow Trail to Crowchild Trail...even in the longterm plan? Maybe I'm missing something, but that seems like a pretty big oversight.

Btw, all this stuff is exactly why the City has to be smart with projects like CalgaryNEXT. These are some seriously expensive endeavours.

I guess you still gotta go do that weird little turnaround.

[Mazrim]

Originally Posted by Table 5

Is it just me, or is there no way to get from east-bound Bow Trail to Crowchild Trail...even in the longterm plan? Maybe I'm missing something, but that seems like a pretty big oversight.

This was noted in the previous phase of engagement, which you can see here: http://www.flipsnack.com/islengineer...o-phase-4.html

Long story short - it would be difficult, expensive and require extra property to make Bow Trail all turns.

[OutOfTheCube]

Mental note to avoid this side of the city for the next decade.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

The plans show that they are eliminating the lights at 29th.

Which plans? These ones don't go that far, and anything I've seen about the Stadium Shopping Centre redevelopment don't mention any significant changes to that intersection.

[Bunk]

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

Mental note to avoid this side of the city for the next decade.

Don't worry, the City has no money to build it.

[foshizzle11]

Originally Posted by Bunk

Don't worry, the City has no money to build it.

Haha, they will when they raise our property taxes by 10% each year for the next 10 years getting ready for these improvements.

[cam_wmh]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

The plans show that they are eliminating the lights at 29th.

No they don't

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

Mental note to avoid this side of the city for the next decade.

Avoid it for the next decade because of how bad the current conditions are.

Avoid it for the following decade because of this work.

2036 is going to be an awesome year for a drive!

[Joborule]

The city lacks collector roads on their major freeways, so I don't mind seeing that for the portion between 24th ave to 16th ave to ensure safe weaving. Deerfoot badly needs these at some sections.

I like the tunnel option since it does two things, it allows Crowchild to serve its primary function, and opens up a new urban boulevard corridor right above it. University Drive NW would essentially go from the University all the way to Kensington Road. That's great development corridor potential there. And with that, it also gets the job done in connecting the communities of Hillhurst and Parkdale together.

It would cost a #### ton though. Plus lots of a homes on the east side would have to be removed. (Although could be developed upon again once construction is completed)) But it appears that with the alternative option, it would be set up that if they ever wanted to upgrade to it, it's possible. So the question is which one to ultimately plan for?

The at grade option is okay since it removes lights, until the they say the speed limit would be 60KM/H? WTF? That would defeat the whole purpose wouldn't it? It needs to be a freeway speeds in order for the whole corridor to address the whole purpose of the study.

[I-Hate-Hulse]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

2036 is going to be an awesome year for a drive!

Pfft... I'll be in my Uber hover car by then....

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by getbak

Which plans? These ones don't go that far, and anything I've seen about the Stadium Shopping Centre redevelopment don't mention any significant changes to that intersection.

You are right. I quickly looked through the plans this morning and mistakenly was thinking that the underpass/interchange set up to the west of Crowchild was 29th instead of University Drive.

[rd_aaron]

So I'm looking at the Central Tunnel option. Correct me if I'm wrong but if you are travelling south on Crowchild, and want to turn on 5th ave NW or Kensington, you'd have to exit West on 16th Ave and then go through all 3 roundabouts? Doesn't seem like a horrible option but it's certainly going to be confusing at first.

[I-Hate-Hulse]

Originally Posted by rd_aaron

So I'm looking at the Central Tunnel option. Correct me if I'm wrong but if you are travelling south on Crowchild, and want to turn on 5th ave NW or Kensington, you'd have to exit West on 16th Ave and then go through all 3 roundabouts? Doesn't seem like a horrible option but it's certainly going to be confusing at first.

I was puzzled by that at first, the rationale for that might be to have people take the EB 16th Ave off ramp and get to Kensington Rd via 14th St / 10th Street. Takes traffic off of the relatively residential Kensington Rd.

[lambeburger]

Originally Posted by HotHotHeat

Happy to see things finally happening, this project is 15 years over due. Is widening the Bow River bridge really a 'short term' thing though?

I went to one of the city engagement sessions about this a couple months ago. According to the person there, the bridge is due for major rehab work next year, and that widening to allow an additional lane each way can be done at the same time.