06-07-2016, 01:19 PM
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#4961
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Calgary - Transplanted Manitoban
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I just don't want Treliving to overthink it. Nylander is the 6th best player. If the draft unfolds the way we all think it will, just take the BPA. Take Nylander. Don't overthink it.
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06-07-2016, 01:23 PM
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#4962
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by InCoGnEtO
I just don't want Treliving to overthink it. Nylander is the 6th best player. If the draft unfolds the way we all think it will, just take the BPA. Take Nylander. Don't overthink it.
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Shouldn't over think it, but he needs to think it. BPA is totally up for grabs at #6. If Nylander is top ranked, of course, but there is no way you can be confident that is the case.
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06-07-2016, 01:25 PM
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#4963
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Calgary - Transplanted Manitoban
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Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug
Shouldn't over think it, but he needs to think it. BPA is totally up for grabs at #6. If Nylander is top ranked, of course, but there is no way you can be confident that is the case.
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He seems to be the BPA, and happens to be in a position of need. When it comes to equal talent, take the player that suits the needs. RW > D right now.
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06-07-2016, 01:37 PM
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#4964
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In the Sin Bin
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Quote:
Originally Posted by InCoGnEtO
I just don't want Treliving to overthink it. Nylander is the 6th best player. If the draft unfolds the way we all think it will, just take the BPA. Take Nylander. Don't overthink it.
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He isn't the clearcut BPA at #6 though. Organizational philosophy goes in to determining the BPA. The Flames believe in building from the goal out. Goaltending>Defense>Centres>Wingers. That's the tie breaker Burke stated when players are close. Nylander is right there with Brown, Juolevi, Chychrun, and Sergachev, he's not clearly ahead of them. Using the Flames tiebreaker it bumps Nylander out of the top 6-7 IMO on the Flames list because the Flames are likely to like at least 1 or 2 of the defensemen.
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06-07-2016, 01:39 PM
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#4965
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
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Originally Posted by Bingo
didn't see this posted yet ...
OHL scout on the draft
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New Era disagrees.
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06-07-2016, 01:44 PM
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#4966
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
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Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher
He isn't the clearcut BPA at #6 though. Organizational philosophy goes in to determining the BPA. The Flames believe in building from the goal out. Goaltending>Defense>Centres>Wingers. That's the tie breaker Burke stated when players are close. Nylander is right there with Brown, Juolevi, Chychrun, and Sergachev, he's not clearly ahead of them. Using the Flames tiebreaker it bumps Nylander out of the top 6-7 IMO on the Flames list.
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We will agree to disagree there. Our most pressing need is another skilled winger and they are more important than you give them credit for, especially when the cupboard is decent in those other areas. Without Kane the Hawks don't win their Cups. Without acquiring Kessel the Penguins are not in the finals this year. You need a combination of all positions to win the Cup.
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06-07-2016, 01:46 PM
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#4967
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by dissentowner
New Era disagrees.
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I do. And an article written by a kid who graduated from high school in 2014 isn't changing my mind. I like other players much better for all the reasons I've listed. I'm still not sure Nylander's game is going to translate to the pros. I'm not looking at who is the best junior player, I'm projecting who will be the best NHL player, and I think there are better options.
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06-07-2016, 01:48 PM
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#4968
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
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Originally Posted by New Era
I do. And an article written by a kid who graduated from high school in 2014 isn't changing my mind. I like other players much better for all the reasons I've listed. I'm still not sure Nylander's game is going to translate to the pros. I'm not looking at who is the best junior player, I'm projecting who will be the best NHL player, and I think there are better options.
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Your absolutely right, damned what professional scouts say or others who have seen him play the game more than you, New Era knows all! 
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06-07-2016, 01:58 PM
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#4969
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by dissentowner
Your absolutely right, damned what professional scouts say or others who have seen him play the game more than you, New Era knows all! |
Okay lets focus on the "professional scouts." The guys linked are not professional scouts! They are guys that blog for #### sake. Christian Roatis graduated from a Calgary high school in 2014! Brendan Ross is a school teacher who runs a web site that he calls a scouting service! You can become a "scout" with him if you fill out a form on his web site. Yeah, real professional! Just because you publish a third rate web site doesn't mean you're a scout or your opinion means ####. If it did, Eklund is ultimate expert on all things hockey related. Check your sources before you get all excited about what they have to say. They may not be as credible as you hope they are.
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06-07-2016, 04:39 PM
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#4970
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Powerplay Quarterback
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not sure if this has been mentioned - just spit balling, but I wonder if Nylander is available at #6, what is he worth to Toronto? Pick #'s 30 & 31? More - take one of our bad contracts (Smid / raymond / Wideman (if he'll go)).
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06-07-2016, 04:44 PM
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#4971
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by Bleeding Red
not sure if this has been mentioned - just spit balling, but I wonder if Nylander is available at #6, what is he worth to Toronto? Pick #'s 30 & 31? More - take one of our bad contracts (Smid / raymond / Wideman (if he'll go)).
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That's a horrible trade for us.
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06-07-2016, 04:48 PM
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#4972
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Ass Handler
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Okotoks, AB
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It's amazing to me how badly many people here seem to not want to pick 6th overall.
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06-07-2016, 04:57 PM
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#4973
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by cral12
E-Mac starting to churn out more profiles; what do you think of any of these as potentials for the Flames?
(I'd personally be pretty happy to land Dahlen and Johansen if they last to us in the 2nd rnd)
- Here's Lucas Johansen:
Beyond Bloodlines: Johansen Rising
- Sean Day
- Jonathan Dahlen (find out why we dubbed him MacGyver on Ice)
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Dahlen link updated.
Another 2nd rnder potential
Frederic Allard - "The General"
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06-07-2016, 05:03 PM
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#4974
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First Line Centre
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Beginning to think dubois or tkachuk will be there at 6. Cbj, Edmonton, and Vancouver seem indecisive. Someone will pick a defense or Brown. We're in a fantastic spot to move up as well if they like Brown
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06-07-2016, 05:08 PM
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#4975
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DJones
Beginning to think dubois or tkachuk will be there at 6. Cbj, Edmonton, and Vancouver seem indecisive. Someone will pick a defense or Brown. We're in a fantastic spot to move up as well if they like Brown
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I'm really hoping the Canucks are sold on Brown. Oilers don't need another center so only hope with them is that they love one of the defensemen.
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06-07-2016, 05:14 PM
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#4976
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Dead Rear, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bleeding Red
not sure if this has been mentioned - just spit balling, but I wonder if Nylander is available at #6, what is he worth to Toronto? Pick #'s 30 & 31? More - take one of our bad contracts (Smid / raymond / Wideman (if he'll go)).
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I doubt it's been mentioned because that's a god awful trade. Why would we move down 24 spots for a 2nd round pick?! Even if they took a bad contract, it makes absolutely no sense. If we move down, it'll be like 5 spots and get an early 2nd with it and even that doesn't make much sense when we already have three 2nd round picks. Why are so many people looked my to move down when with our 2nds we should be looking to move up somewhere?
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06-07-2016, 05:15 PM
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#4977
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
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It would be nice if one of Tkachuk or Dubois slides to #6 for sure.
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06-07-2016, 05:41 PM
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#4978
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Learning Phaneufs skating style
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06-07-2016, 06:04 PM
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#4979
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Bay Area
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher
I found the defensemen quotes pretty interesting as well.
On Juolevi:
"Olli Juolevi offers up the most efficient game and is the easiest defender to project. He owns extremely high-end hockey intelligence and his knack for kick starting the breakout under pressure is as good as anyone in the past few years. His feel for the game is the best among any defender in this draft class and while his pure offensive upside remains a mystery, any team would be satisfied with his number two defenseman projection, who should be able to kick in 45-50 points in his prime.
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Easiest defender to project. I know we want a forward but if this is true then you have to pick Joe levy. Probability weighted outcome, option value....whatever thinking you want to use, a high degree of certainty that he turns into this type of player is so persuasive.
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06-07-2016, 06:18 PM
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#4980
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
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Originally Posted by sureLoss
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Interesting comment by Burke there in that interview when asked if position plays a factor in their draft choice. His answer was no.
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