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flambers · 06-07-2016, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

So, is Quebec basically dead in the water this go-around? Everyone is just talking about Vegas, but I haven't seen anything indicating Quebec has rescinded their application? Unless I missed it.

There is no way, anyone could answer that question.

Who knows what the league has told the owners in Quebec.

Lanny_McDonald · 06-07-2016, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

So, is Quebec basically dead in the water this go-around? Everyone is just talking about Vegas, but I haven't seen anything indicating Quebec has rescinded their application? Unless I missed it.

Quebec doesn't have the scratch for the expansion fee. Look for them to be a landing place for Carolina in a season or two. There has been a lot of discussion between QC and Karmanos if you believe the stuff coming out of Quebec. Supposedly lots of private jet flights between the two cities adding to stoke the fires.

Finger Cookin · 06-07-2016, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by MisterJoji

Doesn't it make more sense to add LV to the Central and then add Seattle to the Pacific if/when they join? That way no other teams have to move, other than when Carolina/Florida move to Quebec and it evens out both conferences.

It might. I was proceeding under the assumption that LV would automatically be in the Pacific, due to proximity to the California teams.

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Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

It might be tough to work out, as I would think proximity to LA means they need to be in the Pacific (along with Arizona). If that is the case, I would think Cal/Edm moving makes some sense. Rather Calgary stay in the Pacific, though.

Do you mean move one of Calgary or Edmonton? I can't see any alignment not having these teams in the same division.

Fighting Banana Slug · 06-07-2016, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Finger Cookin

It might. I was proceeding under the assumption that LV would automatically be in the Pacific, due to proximity to the California teams.

Do you mean move one of Calgary or Edmonton? I can't see any alignment not having these teams in the same division.

No I meant both. For sure they need to be in the same division. As you suggested, I think LV belongs in the Pacific due to proximity to LA. It gets tough, as Van logically belongs in the Pacific, but do you move the other Canadian teams out? Move Winnipeg back in somehow? Colorado in the Pacific? Not sure. Once the numbers settle out, I would imagine they rejig the whole thing again. It seems like realignment is always in play.

sureLoss · 06-07-2016, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

So, is Quebec basically dead in the water this go-around? Everyone is just talking about Vegas, but I haven't seen anything indicating Quebec has rescinded their application? Unless I missed it.

Qubecor chairman of the board already admitted it was a very slim chance Quebec would get an expansion team this time a few days ago.

getbak · 06-07-2016, 03:56 PM

They'll almost certainly keep Calgary, Edmonton, and Vancouver together in the same Division. They'll almost certainly keep San Jose, Los Angeles, and Anaheim together in the same Division. Until there is a team in Seattle, it makes the most sense for Vegas and Arizona to be in the same Division as the other 6 teams.

If Seattle is added, and Arizona and Vegas survive, it makes the most sense for Seattle to be in the Pacific Division.

This means you're in a situation where it makes sense for 9 teams to be in the Pacific Division, but only have room for 8. No matter what they decide, it won't be ideal for the team that has to join the Central.

Phoenix is the easternmost of the nine cities in question (slightly further east than Edmonton, which is slightly further east than Calgary).

Since they're unlikely to break up the Flames, Oilers, and Canucks, the most likely candidates to go to the Central would be Arizona or Vegas.

Vegas would work because they're the newer team with no established rivalries. Arizona is on MST year-round, which means they'd only be one hour behind the Central Time Zone for most of the season. Vegas is two hours behind Central year-round.

The Coyotes have been around longer, and have been in the same Division as the California teams forever, but I don't know if they have any strong rivalries with any of them.

TheScorpion · 06-07-2016, 03:57 PM

Sorry, was someone on the last page suggesting one of the Flames and Oilers move to the Central if Vegas and Seattle teams come into play?

Are you crazy? Having the Flames and the Oilers in different divisions? No way, never.

Fighting Banana Slug · 06-07-2016, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Sorry, was someone on the last page suggesting one of the Flames and Oilers move to the Central if Vegas and Seattle teams come into play?

Are you crazy? Having the Flames and the Oilers in different divisions? No way, never.

No one suggested that.

TheScorpion · 06-07-2016, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

No one suggested that.

Actually, you did:

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Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

It might be tough to work out, as I would think proximity to LA means they need to be in the Pacific (along with Arizona). If that is the case, I would think Cal/Edm moving makes some sense. Rather Calgary stay in the Pacific, though.

Fighting Banana Slug · 06-07-2016, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Actually, you did:

And I indicated to Finger Cooking that this meant both Edmonton and Calgary.

Finger Cookin · 06-07-2016, 04:02 PM

I wonder if the NHL might just go with a 9 team Pacific, 7 team Central. And then change the playoff format back to a conference seeding instead of the two divisional rounds before the Conference final.

TheScorpion · 06-07-2016, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

And I indicated to Finger Cooking that this meant both Edmonton and Calgary.

Oh, I didn't notice that. Sorry for the confusion

Flamenspiel · 06-07-2016, 04:15 PM

Seattle is a pie in the sky, i don't see it happening.

Vulcan · 06-07-2016, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Flamenspiel

Seattle is a pie in the sky, i don't see it happening.

Well it could come about but I think we'll cross that bridge if and when it happens. Right now just put Vegas in the Pacific and every things fine.

doctajones428 · 06-08-2016, 05:14 AM

Calgary
Edmonton
Vancouver
Winnipeg
San Jose
Anaheim
Los Angeles
Seattle

Chicago
St. Louis
Minnesota
Dallas
Colorado
Nashville
Las Vegas
Arizona

Montreal
Quebec
Toronto
Ottawa
Boston
Detroit
Buffalo
Columbus

Rangers
Islanders
New Jersey
Pittsburgh
Philadelphia
Washington
Tampa Bay
Florida

Done

Lanny_McDonald · 06-08-2016, 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by doctajones428

Calgary
Edmonton
Vancouver
Winnipeg
San Jose
Anaheim
Los Angeles
Seattle

Chicago
St. Louis
Minnesota
Dallas
Colorado
Nashville
Las Vegas
Arizona

Montreal
Quebec
Toronto
Ottawa
Boston
Detroit
Buffalo
Columbus

Rangers
Islanders
New Jersey
Pittsburgh
Philadelphia
Washington
Tampa Bay
Florida

Done

I like most of what you're suggesting but why would you have Winnipeg in the pacific rather that the central? I think the league wants to try and keep traversing time zones to a minimum. Winnipeg is a central team versus a bunch of pacific teams. Arizona and Las Vegas are much better fits. If anything, I could see all the pacific teams being a division by themselves and then the mountain teams being thrown in with the central teams. Travel time from Vegas and Phoenix to the SoCal teams is also very quick and easy. Seems like a natural to leave them in the pacific and let Calgary and Edmonton continue to deal with the travel headaches.

The Original FFIV · 06-08-2016, 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by sureLoss

Qubecor chairman of the board already admitted it was a very slim chance Quebec would get an expansion team this time a few days ago.

Lyin' Brian? He'd never deceive the public would he :/

Red Menace · 06-08-2016, 06:53 AM

If (and that's a big if) Seattle were ever to join the league, I do'nt think they will be moving SEA, LV or AZ out of the Pacific, in contrary they will try and help them as much as possible, and having those 3 California teams so close to them seems a natural (and even vital) fit.
I think the most logical solution is to move both CAL and EDM into the Central and move COL back to the Pacific.
COL is probably about as close to many of the PAC teams as they are to the CEN teams anyway.
CAL and EDM lose VAN as a rival but gain WPG.
and I don't think the travel in the Central would be too much more for us than those long California trips.
This all conjecture of course, but that's what makes the most sense to me.

Bingo · 06-08-2016, 07:01 AM

Wait! Larry Brooks overreacted!

Brooks Update on Expansion Rules

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A source with firsthand knowledge of the regulations that would be in place for an anticipated 2017 NHL expansion draft told The Post that, contrary to initial information reported on Sunday, teams only would be compelled to protect players with no-move clauses (and contracts) that extend through at least the 2017-18 season.

So Wideman back to a trade option again

Resolute 14 · 06-08-2016, 08:09 AM

Uhh, Larry, we already saw Wyshnyski's tweet quoting Daly. You aren't fooling anyone by pretending you have a "source with firsthand knowledge".