The New American Politics thread

[FlameOn]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Not sure how much Trump should cheer for that, I think Bernie would beat him pretty easily. Trump needs her to barely scrape by and to use that against her.

Bernie would beat him hands down, so would Biden. Trump only has a chance against her.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by GGG

This assumption that Trump will allow himself to be a puppet does not seem to be based on anything but hope.

I love this quote.

The best case scenario in a Trump presidency is a puppet leader.

Yet some people still cling to the idea that he'd really change something for the better. Or that he'd be less subservient to corporate interests than Clinton.

[Itse]

Another storyline in this election that really makes me shake my head is the idea that Sanders (a well respected veteran politician, even if he's not super popular) couldn't change anything, but Trump could (despite being super unpopular, not respected at all and without any experience).

Plus the idea that some people use as a basis for voting Trump, that essentially any change would automatically be for the better. Jesus on a stick, how naive can people be...

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by Itse

Another storyline in this election that really makes me shake my head is the idea that Sanders (a well respected veteran politician, even if he's not super popular) couldn't change anything, but Trump could (despite being super unpopular, not respected at all and without any experience).

Plus the idea that some people use as a basis for voting Trump, that essentially any change would automatically be for the better. Jesus on a stick, how naive can people be...

As naive as voters were in last AB provincial election

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by FlameOn

Bernie would beat him hands down, so would Biden. Trump only has a chance against her.

Only Biden would win easily. The notion Bernie flies through is utterly laughable, especially when things like the President of Venezuela calling Bernie his "revolutionary friend" like he did this week happen. That's a catastrophic endorsement obviously given the state of Venezuela, and obviously one of the easiest campaign ads ever made for the GOP. Bernie is popular now, but after the GOP pumps $100 million+ into making him look anti-American? We'll see, but his numbers will go south, just a matter of how far south.

Originally Posted by Itse

Another storyline in this election that really makes me shake my head is the idea that Sanders (a well respected veteran politician, even if he's not super popular) couldn't change anything, but Trump could (despite being super unpopular, not respected at all and without any experience).

Plus the idea that some people use as a basis for voting Trump, that essentially any change would automatically be for the better. Jesus on a stick, how naive can people be...

Well it's a semantics game. Trump will have the stacked deck on his side almost certainly, with GOP control of the House and Senate to go with his Presidency. So he'll be able to get things done (whether they are good things is another question). Bernie will be going against that on the other hand, and since he's 74 years old they will obstruct him for 4 years and then send him into retirement and take the White House back because a 78 year old who did nothing in his first term is not getting re-elected. GOP has the game rigged everywhere but for the White House, so the fact they keep pumping up terrible candidates almost doesn't matter because they have the backup options of controlling everything else.

[CaptainCrunch]

Its funny to me

The Republican party right now looks split, vindictive and radical

The Democrats look corrupt, vindictive and bought and purchased by big money interest.

Nice election

[jayswin]

My lord, Bernie Sanders is to SenatorClayDavis what the service industry is to Spring1.

[Azure]

Hillary is a incredibly weak candidate.

John Kerry was a strong candidate politically with a lot of experience, and yet he struggled with the Swift Boat smears.

Hillary has way more issues already and the primaries aren't even over yet.

Plus, she is corrupt.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Kerry wasn't in any way a strong candidate.

[activeStick]

You'd figure if the email thing had a serious chance of leading to Hillary's endictment that the Democrats would push to have a different nominee

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Kerry wasn't in any way a strong candidate.

He was as good at Mitt the Twit.

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

He was as good at Mitt the Twit.

Sure, but Romney wasn't much good either. I think because Obama's current approval ratings are pretty high, we tend to forget he vulnerable he looked when running for his second term. That was a huge missed opportunity for the GOP, and Romney's lack of charisma and general dweebishness (plus Paul Ryan having those same attributes in spades) are at least partly to blame.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by activeStick

You'd figure if the email thing had a serious chance of leading to Hillary's endictment that the Democrats would push to have a different nominee

Maybe they thought they could cover it up, or Hillary could lie her way through it.

Or here's a surprising thought, maybe they didn't have the whole story when they put the party crown on her head.

[metallicat]

More buffoonery from Trump. Jake Tapper interview on Trump University and the judge in the case.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2016/06/...low%3Afacebook

[Caged Great]

This is usually when most undecideds make up their mind. One looks like a complete fool, and the other, while she isn't well liked is competent.

I honestly think the election, if it wasn't already decided before, is done now.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Here's an interesting take on Trump as president. I disagree with the authors (and apparently given the last paragraph, they disagree with themselves). But nonetheless, it's worth reading, as a fully-developed version of an argument I've heard put forward a few times in recent weeks. To wit, Trump being a nuclear bomb that basically forces a re-set of the entire political system, which is (they'll say) more important at this moment in history than what policy positions he holds.

http://quillette.com/2016/06/05/the-...-will-publish/

These problems truly are cancers to our democracy, and a President Trump might be potent, if rough, medicine. There’s little question that his incompetence, inexperience, impetuousness, and incivility would cripple both the effectiveness and reputation of American politics for as long as he held office; and the embarrassment to the American citizens, if it were to elect him, would be almost unbearable. Our relationships with many, if not most, other countries would deteriorate, our economy would struggle (if it didn’t crash outright), and many of our problems would either multiply or fester.

Such pains, though, may be the metaphorical equivalent of what chemotherapy does to its unfortunate patients. The question to our minds, then, isn’t whether a Trump presidency would be bad for America—it unquestionably would—but whether America might survive the medicine and come out better for the noxious treatment.

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

At least he didn't say "my negro"???

wow, unbelievable anyone likes this guy. just dumb, and unclassy.

[PsYcNeT]

Are there any historical examples of a nation ultimately coming out stronger (whether that be measured politically, economically, or socially) after hitting a resounding political nadir? Like I don't mean "they were better than when they had "X" in power", but legitimately bouncing back stronger than before.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Here's an interesting take on Trump as president. I disagree with the authors (and apparently given the last paragraph, they disagree with themselves). But nonetheless, it's worth reading, as a fully-developed version of an argument I've heard put forward a few times in recent weeks. To wit, Trump being a nuclear bomb that basically forces a re-set of the entire political system, which is (they'll say) more important at this moment in history than what policy positions he holds.

http://quillette.com/2016/06/05/the-...-will-publish/

Yeah that's pretty much the Susan Sarandon argument with Bernie, that if he doesn't win the nomination people should vote for Trump because it will "bring about the revolution faster". Except Trump is pretty clearly setting up to be another George W. Bush where everyone behind the scenes controls everything, and we all saw how that worked out.

[Looch City]

Trump isn't the medicine. He'd be the fuel to the fire.

Or in medical terms, it's like wanting to contract AIDS since you already have cancer.