[Rumour] UPD: Daly says no need to protect expiring contracts with NMC

[Par]

Originally Posted by the2bears

I don't buy this reasoning. It's just as easy for them to say that expiring NMCs don't count *in both* cases - against a % of cap that must be protected and they don't need to be protected.

I was just throwing that out there, there are probably other reasons and what you say also makes sense.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Par

If there is a compliance buyout, I really hope Flames go to the Blue Jackets, say give us the 3rd overall pick and we will take David Clarkson's contract and use their compliance buyout on David Clarkson and just buyout Dennis Wideman.

Your trade proposal is so bloody awful that the Jackets would hang up on you before you could finish telling them about it.

"Hey, Columbus! We propose that you drop three spots in the draft for absolutely nothing in return. Sound good?"

[Par]

Originally Posted by jmac98

I like how you slipped in Bobrovsky there low key. Very wile e coyote.

Just trying to help out the Blue Jackets financially

[sureLoss]

Players with NMCs and contracts that expire in 2017:

Datsyuk - probably a non-issue if he retires
Thornton
Marleau
Vanek
Sharp
Wisniewski
Iginla
Wideman
Pronger
Umberger
Fisher

Might be missing a few

[Par]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Your trade proposal is so bloody awful that the Jackets would hang up on you before you could finish telling them about it.

Take out Sergei Bobrovsky than:

To Columbus:
6th pick
Mason Raymond

To Calgary:
3rd pick
David Clarkson(Flames use their compliance buyout on him)

It only costs the Flames money(I don't what the Flames ownership thinks though LOL). The 3 in this draft is where the money is.

"Hey, Columbus! We propose that you drop three spots in the draft for absolutely nothing in return. Sound good?"

They get cap relief and save real money from unloading David Clarkson's contract, the Blue Jackets are a small market team and bleeding money, they save $22 million in real money over the next 4 years.

[Roof-Daddy]

1. PHI - RJ Umberger - NMC & M-NTC
2. MIN - Thomas Vanek - NMC
3. EDM - Andrew Ference - NMC
4. SJS - Joe Thornton - NMC
5. SJS - Patrick Marleau - NMC
6. DET - Pavel Datsyuk - NMC 35+
7. DAL - Patrick Sharp - NMC & M-NTC
8. OTT - Chris Neil - NMC 35+
9. COL - Jarome Iginla - NMC 35+
10. CGY - Dennis Wideman - NMC
11. CAR - James Wisniewski - NMC & M-NTC
12. ARI - Antoine Vermette - NMC
13. ARI - Chris Pronger - NMC
14. TBL - Ben Bishop - NMC

Here is the list of expiring NMC's

San Jose and Arizona get screwed pretty hard here, especially Arizona.


*According to CapFreindly*

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Par

Take out Sergei Bobrovsky than:

To Columbus:
6th pick
Mason Raymond

To Calgary:
3rd pick
David Clarkson(Flames use their compliance buyout on him)

It only costs the Flames money(I don't what the Flames ownership thinks though LOL). The 3 in this draft is where the money is.

Like I said, you are asking the Jackets to move down for nothing in return.

Or are you foolish enough to think that the Flames would be willing to blow a bunch of money buying out *two* players, but the Jackets wouldn't buy-out one?

[dissentowner]

This is just click bait for Brooks, don't fall for it.

[Par]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Like I said, you are asking the Jackets to move down for nothing in return.

Or are you foolish enough to think that the Flames would be willing to blow a bunch of money buying out *two* players, but the Jackets wouldn't buy-out one?

The Jackets are a small market team, the owner would probably not have the stomach to buyout such a large contract but you are right the Flames may not be willing to buy out 2 players. If this is true, than Wideman is being bought out, you don't want to lose Giordano, Brodie or Hamilton.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

1. PHI - RJ Umberger - NMC & M-NTC
2. MIN - Thomas Vanek - NMC
3. EDM - Andrew Ference - NMC
4. SJS - Joe Thornton - NMC
5. SJS - Patrick Marleau - NMC
6. DET - Pavel Datsyuk - NMC 35+
7. DAL - Patrick Sharp - NMC & M-NTC
8. OTT - Chris Neil - NMC 35+
9. COL - Jarome Iginla - NMC 35+
10. CGY - Dennis Wideman - NMC
11. CAR - James Wisniewski - NMC & M-NTC
12. ARI - Antoine Vermette - NMC
13. ARI - Chris Pronger - NMC

Here is the list of expiring NMC's

San Jose and Arizona get screwed pretty hard here, especially Arizona.


*According to CapFreindly*

If there were a few "LA, CHI, TOR or NYR", on the list, I would feel better about this. Screwing over ARI or CAL or SJ probably isn't a huge concern for the league.

[PepsiFree]

What is with the sudden "Take advantage of these teams financially!" trade ploys? Having internal caps and financial restrictions is not new or uncommon.

You know what Columbus wants more than moving down in the draft just to save a couple million dollars? Having the best, most NHL ready prospect they can on an ELC.

CBJ would never trade 3 + Clarkson for 6 + Raymond. That's crazy.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

1. PHI - RJ Umberger - NMC & M-NTC
2. MIN - Thomas Vanek - NMC
3. EDM - Andrew Ference - NMC
4. SJS - Joe Thornton - NMC
5. SJS - Patrick Marleau - NMC
6. DET - Pavel Datsyuk - NMC 35+
7. DAL - Patrick Sharp - NMC & M-NTC
8. OTT - Chris Neil - NMC 35+
9. COL - Jarome Iginla - NMC 35+
10. CGY - Dennis Wideman - NMC
11. CAR - James Wisniewski - NMC & M-NTC
12. ARI - Antoine Vermette - NMC
13. ARI - Chris Pronger - NMC

Here is the list of expiring NMC's

San Jose and Arizona get screwed pretty hard here, especially Arizona.


*According to CapFreindly*

I don't believe it will happen personally. For the reason that you are giving such a small benefit to the expansion team and absolutely punishing a small number of teams. Look at that list - there is just a small number of teams that would be exposing a different player or two.

For Calgary the biggest issue isn't that you have to protect Wideman per se and expose someone else, it's that it would make him virtually untradeable at the deadline.

[Par]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

1. PHI - RJ Umberger - NMC & M-NTC
2. MIN - Thomas Vanek - NMC
3. EDM - Andrew Ference - NMC
4. SJS - Joe Thornton - NMC
5. SJS - Patrick Marleau - NMC
6. DET - Pavel Datsyuk - NMC 35+
7. DAL - Patrick Sharp - NMC & M-NTC
8. OTT - Chris Neil - NMC 35+
9. COL - Jarome Iginla - NMC 35+
10. CGY - Dennis Wideman - NMC
11. CAR - James Wisniewski - NMC & M-NTC
12. ARI - Antoine Vermette - NMC
13. ARI - Chris Pronger - NMC

Here is the list of expiring NMC's

San Jose and Arizona get screwed pretty hard here, especially Arizona.


*According to CapFreindly*

Patrick Marleau and Joe Thornton are going to be protected no matter what,
Chris Pronger is not coming back, so they might get him exempt, Arizona has to protect Antoine Vermette which also sucks but they should enough room left for their good players, so they are ok. The only team I see getting screwed are the Colorado Avalanche because they have lots of good young players that need to be protected and they have to protect a 35+ Iginla.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Matty81

Wideman absolutely has to be bought out this summer if true. Which would actually be ok when you think about it... It givea the flames cap room next year when they need it and takes away a little the following year when it's needed less

Why do Flames need cap room less the year after next? Not sure I agree with that. Buyouts are awful - puts dead money on the cap.

[SportsJunky]

I'll feel better about this once Alberta Beef comes and explains contracts to us.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by Par

Patrick Marleau and Joe Thornton are going to be protected no matter what,
Chris Pronger is not coming back, so that does not matter, Arizona can easily protect Antoine Vermette and have enough room left for their good players, so they are ok. The only team I see getting screwed are the Colorado Avalanche because they have lots of good young players that need to be protected.

Why would San Jose protect UFAs Marleau and Thornton no matter what?

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Par

Patrick Marleau and Joe Thornton are going to be protected no matter what,
Chris Pronger is not coming back, so that does not matter, Arizona can easily protect Antoine Vermette and have enough room left for their good players, so they are ok. The only team I see getting screwed are the Colorado Avalanche because they have lots of good young players that need to be protected.

Pronger is worst situation possible. They would have to protect the guy.

[Par]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Why would San Jose protect UFAs Marleau and Thornton no matter what?

Sorry I meant, when they are signed.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Par

Patrick Marleau and Joe Thornton are going to be protected no matter what,
Chris Pronger is not coming back, so they might get him exempt, Arizona has to protect Antoine Vermette which also sucks but they should enough room left for their good players, so they are ok. The only team I see getting screwed are the Colorado Avalanche because they have lots of good young players that need to be protected and they have to protect a 35+ Iginla.

Why would the Sharks protect Marleau and Thornton when they are going to be UFA's just a few days later?

[FlamesAddiction]

I thought it was already established that NMCs would need to be protected.

Expiring contract or not, if a team used a NMC to convince a player to sign or take a discount, then they should bear the burden of it.

I wonder if it might be better to just get Wideman (or who ever) to waive the clause for the expansion draft like they would for a trade. They would be a free agent in 10 days anyway.