Official (Alberta) Oil Discussion Thread

[Resolute 14]

Well, the Hippie News certainly would not make mention of the fact that it was a company pilot as that really undermines the narrative being offered up.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by Cyclops

So there was no oil spill and it wasn't stumbled upon by chance? This is now known because of who reported it. I see.

If you would like to direct me to the real story here then great, I'm open to reading it.

Was there monitoring in place? Is that how it was discovered? My original point being the fact that people in communities that have concerns over a pipeline running close to them is quashed with the response that they have such amazing monitoring.

You realize Shell was the one who found it and stopped it right? Not some random people.

Beaten to the punch and I can't read well

[Cyclops]

Originally Posted by Weitz

You realize Shell was the one who found it and stopped it right? Not some random people.

Beaten to the punch and I can't read well

I understand that, but damage has already been done.

So what happened to all of the monitoring otherwise? If I'm reading this article right it talks about how amazing the monitoring is. I don't see how a pilot flying over the gulf noticing a massive layer of oil on the surface can be called "adequate monitoring".

http://blog.transcanada.com/transcan...tecting-leaks/

[Cyclops]

Oh wait, that link is probably not a reliable source......

[Cyclops]

There it is

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leak_detection

[Weitz]

I'd probably educate yourself on a Flowline vs a Big diameter pipeline to begin with.

[Cyclops]

Sure, this is the first thing I found.

Flowlines are pipelines - they just have a specific service application. The design code is exactly the same: you won't find a separate definition of flowline in DNV-OS-F101.


Maybe you can enlighten me. Been a while since I have worked on a pipeline.

[Looch City]

It's pretty obvious, you just have to open both eyes.

Oh wait.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Cyclops

I see you use Wikipedia to back your claims in electoral reform. And you are rolling your eyes at this? Wow

Originally Posted by Cyclops

There it is

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leak_detection

[Azure]

Interesting article as to how the US beat us at our own game.

http://business.financialpost.com/fi...rgy-superpower

[Resolute 14]

It also received plenty of help from Canadians blocking oil and gas transportation and infrastructure in their own country.

...who were heavily funded by Americans.

[Azure]

Probably.

Either way we still are looking like the idiots here. Should have seen this coming 15 years ago. Especially considering how much natural gas Eastern Canada is buying from the US right now.

[Resolute 14]

Not probably, fact. It's been well established that Tides and Rockefeller have spent millions supporting anti-oil protesters in Canada.

But yeah, we do look like idiots.

[CaptainCrunch]

And this is the problem with the Environmental movement, they're as Stalin would call them useful idiots.

Obama went around bleating about Canada's dirty oil and lied about his reasons for rejecting Keystone (wouldn't create jobs, had a big environmental impact) and the masses believed him, all while he oversaw the construction of massive pipelines and sat back while the dirtiest oil field on the continent in California continued to pollute and re-approved off shore with shoddy practices.

Meanwhile the environmental groups and natives up here were treated like mercenaries and paid not to believe in anything but to bleat catch phrases and try to gum up the works.

Its really brilliant the environmental movement that goes after the Oil sands and pipelines were willing whores lining up with their hands out for more money.

So how do you fix it, you limit their involvement in assessments and don't let them gum up the works.

You remove charitable and tax free status from groups that receive funding from outside of Canada directly or indirectly, so if you want to receive money from the RG or Tides or any of them then you pay taxes on it.

If you want to be involved in the assessments you have to write out your points before hand and you're accepted or denied entry, and if you deviate in the first minute you're thrown out.

At the same time, Canada should mirror Obama's protectionist practices of buy America, and force provincial governments to buy Canadian and support our economy.

I've said for a while that the Americans, while they're still our friends, are not good friends like they used to be, and they've spent the last 8 years completely screwing us over.

[heep223]

The sad part is, many Canadians will actually see this as a "victory".

[OldDutch]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

And this is the problem with the Environmental movement, they're as Stalin would call them useful idiots

That first line is pure gold...and bang on!

[Flamenspiel]

Originally Posted by heep223

The sad part is, many Canadians will actually see this as a "victory".

Yup, I am sure Suzuki is smiling away on his mansion porch in BC sipping a bottle of Champagne while on the speaker phone with Avi and Naomi Klein.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Flamenspiel

Yup, I am sure Suzuki is smiling away on his mansion porch in BC sipping a bottle of Champagne while on the speaker phone with Avi and Naomi Klein.

On the property that he co owns with an oil company.

I just wish we had a prime minister with the balls to stand up to the US, and I'm not just talking about our current one.

But a Prime Minister that mirrored Obama's complaining about Canada's Dirty Oil. Who stands up and states

The Oil fields in California are a toxic waste dump and pumping the atmosphere full of carbon, and they continue to pollute their oceans with their dirty off shore practices, so until the Americans' do their bit for climate change blah blah blah, we've decided to put a environmental tax on all American energy products coming into Canada.

[Azure]

I think the Harper government shares a lot of the blame. 10 years in power, and absolutely no headway was made in terms of getting Alberta oil or natural gas to the Eastern provinces or even to the ocean.

Energy East should have been built a long time ago, and there should have been a strong push from the federal and provincial governments to get people onto natural gas across the country.

I know here in Manitoba it is extremely expensive to get a natural gas line run to a rural location. There is a lot of interest from rural people, but the only way it is viable is if 10-20 farms or businesses all go together to split up the cost. If the federal or provincial government would help to pay for the natural gas lines being run, a lot more people would sign up, and there would be a bigger market for natural gas WITHIN Canada.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

On the property that he co owns with an oil company.

I just wish we had a prime minister with the balls to stand up to the US, and I'm not just talking about our current one.

But a Prime Minister that mirrored Obama's complaining about Canada's Dirty Oil. Who stands up and states

The Oil fields in California are a toxic waste dump and pumping the atmosphere full of carbon, and they continue to pollute their oceans with their dirty off shore practices, so until the Americans' do their bit for climate change blah blah blah, we've decided to put a environmental tax on all American energy products coming into Canada.

We don't need a Prime Minister that has the balls to stand up to the US, we need a Prime Minister that has the balls to stand up to the Provinces.

Build east and build west. Then they can determine if they want easy access to our oil or not.