The New American Politics thread

[Senator Clay Davis]

Trump has already basically said he'd be sleeping with her if she wasn't his daughter. Probably because to a degree if he does have sex with her, it's kinda like ####ing a part of himself which I'm sure he'd love to do.

[CaptainCrunch]

Well this thread just got weird, and let me conclude this section by telling out

ALABAMA ALABAMA ALABAMA

[FlameOn]

Newest California polls show Sanders is now up 1% over Clinton.
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-p...nap-story.html

As more news is coming out about the email scandal it looks like Clinton's Trump attack may be a strawman distraction from the real problem. It seems she may run afoul of the Espionage Act.

Under the Espionage Act it is a felony for a federal official to “knowingly remove classified material without the authority to do so and with the intention of keeping that material at an unauthorized location.” That alone can lead to a one-year prison sentence. If the classified material is then made available to an “unauthorized person,” it can lead to 10 years in prison — 15 if the information identifies a U.S. covert agent.

Question: “Were you ever … specifically briefed on the security implications of using … your own email server and using your personal address to email with the president?”

Clinton: “I did not email any classified material to anyone on my email. There is no classified material. So I’m certainly well aware of the classification requirement and did not send classified material.”

This is plainly a lie, since the initial investigation by Charles McCullough, the intelligence agencies’ inspector general, found at least 1,000 classified documents on Clinton’s server, with some two dozen of those classified as either Top Secret or SAP. For those who don’t know, SAP is even higher than Top Secret, and involves the most sensitive secrets the nation has.

If she got hacked, as several hackers currently claim and is corroborated by her own email correspondence, then she could be charged with a felony offence punishable by up one year in jail. Up to 10 years in jail if they can prove a foreign agent got a hand on them. Not that she'll ever see any of it though.
http://www.investors.com/politics/ed...er-was-hacked/
http://time.com/3739541/transcript-h...ss-conference/

[CaptainCrunch]

This thing is certainly hanging over her head like the sword of Damocles. I think its no secret that she's a skilled liar, but whether or not this garners an indictment is still in question. Now its likely that she has enough sway with the establishment to get this swept under the carpet.

[Senator Clay Davis]

I suppose you could just title this site "Did Donald Trump speak yesterday", but this will work too.

https://whatdonaldtrumpliedaboutyesterday.com/

[CaptainCrunch]

wonder if Sanders is holding on and still fighting because he's hoping that Hilary gets indicted.

[FlameOn]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

wonder if Sanders is holding on and still fighting because he's hoping that Hilary gets indicted.

Sanders has basically no chance of actually winning. He currently needs to blow Clinton out of the water by 20% in Cali to do that. If Clinton cannot claim a commanding majority Sanders is trying to make it close enough so he has enough of a share to contest the results at the convention. He does not believe Clinton has the moral authority to lead and will appeal that case to the gathered delegates and supers there.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Hillary will have the magic number with supers by the time the New Jersey results come in on Tuesday. So for Bernie it's all about trying to flip superdelegates, but we all know the odds there are astronomically low, if not straight up impossible. So maybe it's time for #BernieOrBust to try and switch to #IndictmentOrBust, but then again that's what most have been saying since Super Tuesday, that his chances of becoming the nominee are in the hands of a grand jury (that may never be convened). Nevermind the high likelihood of a Biden backdoor happening to prevent Bernie as nominee.

[GGG]

Were the secret documents on her server classified at the time she emailed them or are they part of the documents that were already uncovered and found to be made classified after the emailing took place?

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Red Slinger

How exactly does her foreign policy experience suck? Please feel free to provide specific examples of what makes her foreign policy experience worse than that of any other previous Presidential nominee, Secretary of State, Senator or First Lady.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/hillary...rophes/5509543

[FlameOn]

Originally Posted by GGG

Were the secret documents on her server classified at the time she emailed them or are they part of the documents that were already uncovered and found to be made classified after the emailing took place?

They were marked Secret or SAP from the start and not retroactively. This is how Clinton gets away with lying about things... docs are never marked "classified" but varying levels of confidential, secret, etc, she knows this perfectly well.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classified_information

So technically when she says she never got anything marked "classified" it's not really lying. Lawyer speak right there.

There is currently a leak online that has screens of Clinton's emails hackers posted to an online archive. Shows documents being passed to Sidney Blumenthal (not government affiliated but Clinton confident, still a crime) that are marked confidential. More interesting is said hacker is in FBI custody and has been granted a deal with the FBI in their investigation. I'm sure in the coming days this will be used in the investigation. If the public already has some access to this, what will the FBI have access to?
https://cryptome.org/2016/05/sid-hillary-emails.pdf

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Hillary will have the magic number with supers by the time the New Jersey results come in on Tuesday. So for Bernie it's all about trying to flip superdelegates, but we all know the odds there are astronomically low, if not straight up impossible. So maybe it's time for #BernieOrBust to try and switch to #IndictmentOrBust, but then again that's what most have been saying since Super Tuesday, that his chances of becoming the nominee are in the hands of a grand jury (that may never be convened). Nevermind the high likelihood of a Biden backdoor happening to prevent Bernie as nominee.

I can see this happening.

[Azure]

Personally I think John Kerry would make a good President. But, he's probably in a good spot right now.

[FlameOn]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Hillary will have the magic number with supers by the time the New Jersey results come in on Tuesday. So for Bernie it's all about trying to flip superdelegates, but we all know the odds there are astronomically low, if not straight up impossible. So maybe it's time for #BernieOrBust to try and switch to #IndictmentOrBust, but then again that's what most have been saying since Super Tuesday, that his chances of becoming the nominee are in the hands of a grand jury (that may never be convened). Nevermind the high likelihood of a Biden backdoor happening to prevent Bernie as nominee.

Originally Posted by T@T

I can see this happening.

I don't see this happening. When a candidate drops out all pledged delegates are free to "vote of their conscience". You'd have a very hard time convincing all of these to vote in unison for Biden over Sanders who would have ~2000 odd delegates at that point. Biden will have done no campaigning up to that point either.

Assuming all super delegates vote the same way for Biden despite no longer being bound by Clinton foundation bribery and assuming Clinton and Sanders split the delegates from now till the convention (will probably be more Sanders at this point due to the scandal), you would still need 82% (1839 of 2234) of Clinton's delegates to vote for Biden to clinch the necessary number. I don't see that as likely given cracks are already forming in the establishment given current moves to remove the chair of the DNC so the supers are going to break rank.

Plus doing this will likely result in riots given the rallies already planned outside the DNC. It'll be the 70s all over again.

[nik-]

Sanders would have to drop out before the convention to have the Biden swap happen.

Unless they want another 68 I guess.

[FlameOn]

Originally Posted by nik-

Sanders would have to drop out before the convention to have the Biden swap happen.

Unless they want another 68 I guess.

And as the establishment you would only start pushing hard for Sanders to drop out if you have advanced information Clinton is about to be indicted. There has been zero ask for him to drop off from anyone except rabid Clinton supporters to date.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Actually it'll be remarkably easy for Biden to get all of Hillary's pledged delegates, plus all the supers: He'll be running on virtually the exact same platform she is. They already like old Joe, so it's not like voting for someone they dislike. So the pledged delegates will vote Hillary first ballot because they have to, and then they'll all switch to Biden along with all the supers who mostly hate Bernie, and that will be that.

Remember voting for Hillary is voting for her platform and not her personally, whereras voting for Bernie is voting for him personally and not for his platform since most people realize it'll never happen. So it's pretty easy to swap Biden for Hillary and have her supporters go along with it. In fact it'd be shocking if they didn't.

[FlameOn]

Thing is the Democratic party is made up of the libertarian, progressive, liberal, centrist and conservative wings. Also the some delegates come from heavily left leaning states that have large progressive elements.

Conservative and centrists I have no problem believing will vote almost all in line with party supers but I have a hard time believing that all Clinton's pledge delegates from the libertarian, progressive and liberal wings of the party, or certain states for that matter, will vote Biden based on the platform. Progressives and liberals of the Warren faction would probably vote with Sanders because Clinton's platform is not progressive enough. How much of the party that makes up... don't know. Do those factions make up 18%+??

[Senator Clay Davis]

But you have to remember Hillary is one of the most disliked people to ever run for a major party nomination and no matter how much the media tries to spin this race as close, she's easily beaten her opponent. This isn't some close race here. I would venture the you could reasonably assume 95% of those people who voted Hillary really like Biden and would easily vote for him. And I also think you could reasonably assume Bernie supporters would be much more likely to embrace Biden as nominee than Hillary. As I've stated a few times if it were Biden vs. Bernie from the start, with Biden running the verbatim platform of Hillary, this race would have been over 3 months ago on Super Tuesday (the original one, not the 19 more CNN has tried to make happen). Advantages of being well liked versus very unliked.

But this is all fun conjecture that isn't going to happen. Hillary will probably not be indicted and the convention will probably be pretty tame in the end. Maybe some of the most staunch Bernie supporters will go off the rails, but by that point most of them will probably come around to remembering Trump is their real enemy and not Hillary, despite their current entrenchment.

[Red Slinger]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

Here is one example of her poor experience.

A US sponsored coup in South America was practically the soundtrack to the 70s and 80s. I'm not suggesting that's a good thing, by the way.

Maybe it's a semantic argument but is that "poor" experience or was it a mistake? Presumably she'll learn from that, Benghazi and all the other areas where mistakes were made in the State Department under her leadership. When you stack up her experience, mistakes and all, against other Secretaries of State I don't really see much if anything that makes her experience stand out as poor or "suck" in comparison.

As an aside- I am not a Hillary fan, but she's head and shoulders better than what Trump has to offer.