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rubecube · 06-02-2016, 04:17 PM

So Paul Ryan has come out in support of Trump. For a party that beaks off about not backing down from bullies on the international scene, they sure have no problem wilting domestically.

Azure · 06-02-2016, 05:10 PM

Trump probably made promises in exchange for his support.

flylock shox · 06-02-2016, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by rubecube

So Paul Ryan has come out in support of Trump. For a party that beaks off about not backing down from bullies on the international scene, they sure have no problem wilting domestically.

The lack of any actual principles among politicians is sad, and oddly is part of the reason a candidate like Trump appeals to so many. At least he actually appears to stand for something, and when he flip flops he appears to actually stand for his new position.

The others look weak, evasive, AND deceitful.

Senator Clay Davis · 06-02-2016, 05:36 PM

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The lack of any actual principles among politicians is sad, and oddly is part of the reason a candidate like Trump appeals to so many. At least he actually appears to stand for something, and when he flip flops he appears to actually stand for his new position.

The others look weak, evasive, AND deceitful.

Trump stands for what can get him ahead, inflating his ego, and that's about it. He doesn't really flip flop, because someone who doesn't believe in anything can't really flip flop, it's more like changing positions for convenience. He lies all the time and evades answering any tough questions. And he's perhaps the single easiest individual on earth to bait, a major sign of weakness.

His supporters just love the hating Muslims and Mexicans mostly. Those are pretty much the only positions that matter to his supporters. And that's why they view him as "tough and honest", not because he exudes those qualities all the time (obviously he doesn't), but he just exudes them on those particular issues and his supporters just love him for it. He should run to the left of Bernie on everything else, I think he could win that way by stealing Bernie's base and merging it with his for the most ####ed up political coalition in history.

flylock shox · 06-02-2016, 07:42 PM

I think when his supporters say he "speaks the truth" they don't necessarily mean everything he says is true, but rather that he speaks in a truthful way. He's blunt, speaks with conviction, calls a spade (and other things besides) a spade, and doesn't use politician speech. They respond to him because they're sick of the other. And just angry. And not big on critical thinking.

Senator Clay Davis · 06-02-2016, 09:26 PM

What they like most about his "telling it like it is", is that he can say whatever he wants in very public domain and totally get away with any of the crap that comes out of his mouth. They probably believe if he wins that's what America will become, everyone will get to act like Trump and just "tell it like it is". Probably not, but they can dream anyways I suppose.

Speaking of Trump another riot outside one of his rallies. Lets hope the Sharks can show as much fight as the people in San Jose at the protest.

GirlySports · 06-02-2016, 09:32 PM

hey Trump beat 16 other established candidates. Ryan and the rest have no choice but to support him since the establishment has failed. To do otherwise (like Romney) is just burying your head in the sand.

Vulcan · 06-03-2016, 03:54 AM

Hillary makes great speech blasting Trump.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/02/politi...policy-speech/

very short version

long version

T@T · 06-03-2016, 05:21 AM

Not sure about a "great speech" but she sure opened herself up for a arsewhoopin.

Trump is crazy but his zero foreign policy experience is better than her foreign policy experience.

driveway · 06-03-2016, 06:18 AM

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Trump is crazy but his zero foreign policy experience is better than her foreign policy experience.

I am interested to know how you would back this statement up.

Iowa_Flames_Fan · 06-03-2016, 06:31 AM

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Not sure about a "great speech" but she sure opened herself up for a arsewhoopin.

Trump is crazy but his zero foreign policy experience is better than her foreign policy experience.

Makes sense to me. I had a doctor that gave me a wrong diagnosis once. So now I get all my medical advice from my barista at Starbucks. His zero medical experience is better than my doctor's medical experience.

Let's not fall into the trap of Trumpist politics of ignorance, people. Trump boasts about his own ignorance and incuriosity, but these are not positive traits, they're flaws. And Clinton is right--when it comes to foreign policy, these are flaws that could cost people their lives. This isn't a game.

T@T · 06-03-2016, 06:54 AM

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I am interested to know how you would back this statement up.

Simple, her foreign policy experience sucks donkey balls, his doesn't "yet"

CorsiHockeyLeague · 06-03-2016, 07:03 AM

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when it comes to foreign policy, these are flaws that could cost people their lives. This isn't a game.

Not could, will. There is no circumstance where a person could be president and not have their foreign policy decisions cost lives. It's a matter of whose lives and how many.

Anyway, I like how Hillary opened that speech by soberly citing memorial day at the same time as she panders to the audience by name-checking the city she's in. That's so quintessentially Hillary.

As for the speech itself, the concerning thing is that people are still laughing at things that are not jokes. She's quoting him or citing his stated aims and people are laughing because they're ridiculous. No, you're missing her point: it's not funny, he's too close to the nuclear codes for it to be funny anymore.

Senator Clay Davis · 06-03-2016, 07:16 AM

I'm guessing if say Merkel makes some snipe about Hillary's boobs she'll probably laugh it off. Putin going after Trump's small hands and manhood? Yeah that's international incident territory. He also of course spent his speech last night showing how right she was by saying he'll put her in jail and that she's ugly. Trump might be one of the few people ever with negative emotional maturity. A 69-year old baby, what an embarrassment.

Red Slinger · 06-03-2016, 07:53 AM

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Simple, her foreign policy experience sucks donkey balls, his doesn't "yet"

How exactly does her foreign policy experience suck? Please feel free to provide specific examples of what makes her foreign policy experience worse than that of any other previous Presidential nominee, Secretary of State, Senator or First Lady.

Senator Clay Davis · 06-03-2016, 07:59 AM

It's also very much worth noting that Hillary's trashing of Trump was met with...absolutely nothing from the GOP. No prominent GOPers came to his defense, or went after Hillary....they just did nothing. If that were Romney in 2012 she trashed they would have been there to back him up no doubt. Sort of shows the GOP will use Trump no problem, they just don't care about him if he withers off and dies either.

DuffMan · 06-03-2016, 08:01 AM

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How exactly does her foreign policy experience suck? Please feel free to provide specific examples of what makes her foreign policy experience worse than that of any other previous Presidential nominee, Secretary of State, Senator or First Lady.

I smell a Benghazi/email statement coming up.

CaramonLS · 06-03-2016, 08:16 AM

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How exactly does her foreign policy experience suck? Please feel free to provide specific examples of what makes her foreign policy experience worse than that of any other previous Presidential nominee, Secretary of State, Senator or First Lady.

Here is one example of her poor experience.

Izzle · 06-03-2016, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by T@T

Not sure about a "great speech" but she sure opened herself up for a arsewhoopin.

Trump is crazy but his zero foreign policy experience is better than her foreign policy experience.

Clearly you're in the minority with this opinion.

Here's a nice run down from various news outlets on what they thought about Hillary's speech.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/0...-it-is-awesome

And Donald's response was a weak ass tweet (which for some reason I cant seem to find :S)

EldrickOnIce · 06-03-2016, 08:32 AM

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It's also very much worth noting that Hillary's trashing of Trump was met with...absolutely nothing from the GOP. No prominent GOPers came to his defense, or went after Hillary....they just did nothing. If that were Romney in 2012 she trashed they would have been there to back him up no doubt. Sort of shows the GOP will use Trump no problem, they just don't care about him if he withers off and dies either.

You may be right... but it's already slipped way down the page on major US and international news outlets - because no one in 'merica cares.
So why give it legs when it has none?