2016 property tax increases

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

It kind of makes you wonder where the hell all the money goes. I feel tempted to say something about big corporations and those damn 1%ers because honestly I have no idea.

Everyone seems to have less money and everything seems to cost more. Even people who have jobs are getting smaller raises. The money isn't just disappearing into thin air, it must be going somewhere. I'd guess it is going into the pockets of the shareholders and executives at the companies that sell us the goods. Money isn't like that missing sock that just mysteriously goes missing in the dryer.

Ok CP, time for some violent upheaval so that we can remake society.

Yeah, why shine the spotlight on private businesses and completely exclude wildly inefficient Government spending?

When the Government takes between a third to half of your income and the rest is disseminated amongst multiple businesses I think you look at the biggest chunk first.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

It kind of makes you wonder where the hell all the money goes. I feel tempted to say something about big corporations and those damn 1%ers because honestly I have no idea.

Everyone seems to have less money and everything seems to cost more. Even people who have jobs are getting smaller raises. The money isn't just disappearing into thin air, it must be going somewhere. I'd guess it is going into the pockets of the shareholders and executives at the companies that sell us the goods. Money isn't like that missing sock that just mysteriously goes missing in the dryer.

Ok CP, time for some violent upheaval so that we can remake society.

It's a combination of irresponsible government spending, corporations protecting their margins, a recession and inflation. Seems kind of silly to try and find a single reason to pin it on.

[RedHot25]

Originally Posted by Locke

Yeah, but I've got a family of 5 and that bin is FULL every week and we give our compost to our neighbours who use it in their garden.

Why not alternate the blue bin every couple of weeks because if we have too much I just take the rest to a recycling station, but if theres not enough room for garbage I have to go to the dump?

What the heck are you throwing out? We are a family of 4, and we generally are lucky if our garbage bin makes it 1/2 to 2/3 full.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by RedHot25

What the heck are you throwing out? We are a family of 4, and we generally are lucky if our garbage bin makes it 1/2 to 2/3 full.

Hobo parts wrapped in ce-ment.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by RedHot25

What the heck are you throwing out? We are a family of 4, and we generally are lucky if our garbage bin makes it 1/2 to 2/3 full.

....Garbage?

[Locke]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Hobo parts wrapped in ce-ment.

The real satisfaction is hearing the hydraulic servos on the garbage truck whine under the weight!

[RedHot25]

Originally Posted by Locke

....Garbage?

Just a bit surprised, that's all; I'm not sure we could actively generate that much waste if we tried.

[Lubicon]

Originally Posted by RedHot25

What the heck are you throwing out? We are a family of 4, and we generally are lucky if our garbage bin makes it 1/2 to 2/3 full.

Same with us. Family of four with two teenagers and it's a struggle to fill 1/2 bin a week most of the time.

[calgarywinning]

The city and province is a tax regime primarily. They conduct business in bureaucracy at the expense of property and business owners. There is zero accountability, zero look to reduce overhead, department size, optimize services based on what the taxpayers would like to see. All with inflated salaries and pensions and useless projects to justify their existence. They live in a self-contained bubble of the taxpayer who contribute.

The fact that between the province and the city they can't find ways to control spending, cut spending and respond to the economic conditions shows you the state of where we will be in a few very short years.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by RedHot25

Just a bit surprised, that's all; I'm not sure we could actively generate that much waste if we tried.

We also have a big extended family and our house is basically the central meeting point, so while we're a family of 5 we have lots of people coming and going all the time.

Cousins, friends, family dinners, you name it. I mean, there are always options like the neighbour's black bins or taping your garbage to hobos while they're asleep, but it seems to me that the alternatives for recycling are much easier than alternatives for garbage. Just my opinion.

[polak]

Originally Posted by calgarywinning

The city and province is a tax regime primarily. They conduct business in bureaucracy at the expense of property and business owners. There is zero accountability, zero look to reduce overhead, department size, optimize services based on what the taxpayers would like to see. All with inflated salaries and pensions and useless projects to justify their existence. They live in a self-contained bubble of the taxpayer who contribute.

The fact that between the province and the city they can't find ways to control spending, cut spending and respond to the economic conditions shows you the state of where we will be in a few very short years.

Would love to hear your plan to fix it.

[stampsx2]

Originally Posted by polak

Would love to hear your plan to fix it.

Sure. More privatization.

Example: Saskatchewan has almost the lowest spending on healthcare out of all provinces with a public/private hybrid. They have some of the shortest wait times for surgeries. Alberta has one of the highest costs for healthcare with almost 50 cents of every tax dollar going towards it.

Similar things can be done with education.

Anything else you'd like to know about?

[Bend it like Bourgeois]

Originally Posted by heep223

Here I used this, I was far too lazy to look for more http://www.calgary.ca/CA/fs/Pages/Pr...Tax-Rates.aspx

Careful with that. The base moves too. And they are also rolling business tax into non residential property tax skewing that as well.

City finances are basically a shell game. Property taxes are tricky enough and they are just a part. Nobody understands it, which is the biggest problem of them all.

[stampsx2]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

It kind of makes you wonder where the hell all the money goes. I feel tempted to say something about big corporations and those damn 1%ers because honestly I have no idea.

Everyone seems to have less money and everything seems to cost more. Even people who have jobs are getting smaller raises. The money isn't just disappearing into thin air, it must be going somewhere. I'd guess it is going into the pockets of the shareholders and executives at the companies that sell us the goods. Money isn't like that missing sock that just mysteriously goes missing in the dryer.

Ok CP, time for some violent upheaval so that we can remake society.

Nice deflection attempt. Why don't we ask the healthcare managers that get 16 weeks of paid sick days.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Locke

Yeah, but I've got a family of 5 and that bin is FULL every week and we give our compost to our neighbours who use it in their garden.

Why not alternate the blue bin every couple of weeks because if we have too much I just take the rest to a recycling station, but if theres not enough room for garbage I have to go to the dump?

I would hate it if the blue bin was every other week. We have a lot more recycling at our place than garbage. You seem to produce a lot of garbage. We are a family of four and have a day home with 5 additional kids and we rarely get over 3/4 full in the black bin.

Once green bin starts up we will make even less garbage because a decent amount of our garbage now is veggies that the kids don't eat at dinner or fruit/veggie scraps from preparing food.

[jeffporfirio]

380 to 421 a month, I don't get it, as the appraised value went down, some kind of weird Nenshi/Chu math going on.

[iggyformayor]

Ours went up 43%.... Are you ####ing kidding me....

[Dan02]

if it went up 43% chances are you were getting it pretty cheap compared to everyone else before,

[squiggs96]

Originally Posted by jeffporfirio

380 to 421 a month, I don't get it, as the appraised value went down, some kind of weird Nenshi/Chu math going on.

Or, you know, regular math. There lies a possibility that every single property's appraised value could go down, and every single property's property tax bill could go up. The mill rates are just adjusted to produce the budgeted revenue amount.

[OMG!WTF!]

Originally Posted by jeffporfirio

380 to 421 a month, I don't get it, as the appraised value went down, some kind of weird Nenshi/Chu math going on.

Yeah pretty much. Property values don't matter at all when the factor you multiply them by always changes to meet the needs of your overlords. It goes in this order...1) budget....2) property assessment...3) mill rate. We need a billion dollars to operate this year, our taxable property is worth 100 billion. So we create a number to multiple your property value by that gives us the money we need to shovel the walk in front of city hall.