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saskflames69 · 05-31-2016, 09:44 PM

This happened to my best friend's little brother at the lake about a decade ago. Another family on the way to the beach ran the kid over backing out of their driveway.

Christ, I can't even imagine running over your own child. I don't know what I would do. These people are forever shattered.

Clarkey · 05-31-2016, 09:47 PM

This is my worst nightmare and hits close to home. With kids, it doesn't matter if they have avoided a hazard 10000 times, you have to set the bar low and assume every time that they are behind you or will go behind you, this horrible incident reminds me of that. I hit the neighbour's blue box last week when I was backing up to go to work in the morning, this could happen to anyone. The blue ribbon initiative in the community is moving. I feel for anyone touched by this...

SeeGeeWhy · 06-01-2016, 05:44 AM

Rest in peace little one. Live in peace to her surviving family.

Bill Bumface · 06-01-2016, 08:56 AM

I think this speaks to our flawed approach of vehicle safety.

Consumers think big = safe, and crash tests are king. You end up with monstrous vehicles that are very high up and have high belt lines and terrible visibility.

We build things that are safe when they get into accidents, but worse at avoiding them in the first place.

It seems something smaller, nimble and with better visibility is the inherently safer design, but it's the opposite of what anyone sells.

Weitz · 06-01-2016, 09:06 AM

This is such a sad situation.

V · 06-01-2016, 09:29 AM

Yeah, I have a cousin that killed his boy with a bobcat in a similar situation. Living on an acreage, I'm always a little anal about making sure I know where all of the kids are before I back up in anything on my property.

Erick Estrada · 06-01-2016, 09:36 AM

Not surprised it happened with a truck. I hate driving trucks around busy places like Cotsco because little kids can totall disappear behind the tailgate. Pretty soon rear backup cameras will be standard on all new vehicles so hopefully that reduces the amount of deaths and injuries from this kind of stuff.

SeeGeeWhy · 06-01-2016, 09:42 AM

I had a guy snap on me in a superstore parking lot as I was backing up one day. His little guy had run out behind my bumper as I was pulling out, there was no way I could have seen him. Thank God I was moving slowly and the dad was.able to grab him up. Still gives me the creeps thinking about how close of a call it was. Parking lots are so high risk for little kids.

calgarygeologist · 06-01-2016, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Not surprised it happened with a truck. I hate driving trucks around busy places like Cotsco because little kids can totall disappear behind the tailgate. Pretty soon rear backup cameras will be standard on all new vehicles so hopefully that reduces the amount of deaths and injuries from this kind of stuff.

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Originally Posted by Bill Bumface

I think this speaks to our flawed approach of vehicle safety.

Consumers think big = safe, and crash tests are king. You end up with monstrous vehicles that are very high up and have high belt lines and terrible visibility.

We build things that are safe when they get into accidents, but worse at avoiding them in the first place.

It seems something smaller, nimble and with better visibility is the inherently safer design, but it's the opposite of what anyone sells.

New trucks are brutal for blindspots in front and behind the vehicle. I'm a shorter guy, 5'8, and the top of the bed rails on trucks are about shoulder height on me. Kids easily disappear from view.

V · 06-01-2016, 09:53 AM

Back into your parking spots, people.

Language · 06-01-2016, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by V

Back into your parking spots, people.

To be honest - whenever I would see people trying to back into parking spots and taking twice as long, it would always irritate me. Like, why are you trying to be so fancy??

But after hearing stories like this (so so sad), it makes total sense assuming it's for the aforementioned reason.

ken0042 · 06-01-2016, 10:01 AM

I'm not sure backing into a spot makes it any safer in this case. The dad would have backed into the garage. Meaning when he was doing the backing, if a kid was in the way they would have nowhere to run to escape the truck. Sure- it would have helped at the time of the accident to have been going forward. But at the expense of safety at another time.

I wonder if the dad was relying on the sensors that beep, and the sensors didn't pick up the kid in time. A friend runs a shop and he has people come in and ask him to report the sensors not working properly to be able to defend against being at fault for an accident.

Fuzz · 06-01-2016, 10:02 AM

It shouldn't take twice as long, and leaving is much quicker. If it takes you a long time to get right, go practice.

V · 06-01-2016, 10:03 AM

The comment in in relation to the previous posts about shopping malls. You're right in that at home it might make less of a difference. But in a parking lot you should always back into your stall, or drive into a stall that you can drive forward out of.

Fuzz · 06-01-2016, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by ken0042;5774959[B

]I'm not sure backing into a spot makes it any safer in this case. The dad would have backed into the garage. Meaning when he was doing the backing, if a kid was in the way they would have nowhere to run to escape the truck. [/B]Sure- it would have helped at the time of the accident to have been going forward. But at the expense of safety at another time.

I wonder if the dad was relying on the sensors that beep, and the sensors didn't pick up the kid in time. A friend runs a shop and he has people come in and ask him to report the sensors not working properly to be able to defend against being at fault for an accident.

I disagree because when you come home, you look at your house and the surrounding area. You know what is around. Then you back up and should see most of what is behind you. If you are backing out of a garage, a kid could easily come form the side of the house and you wouldn't see him.

AcGold · 06-01-2016, 10:39 AM

Damn that's brutal, puts all my issues into perspective. I can't even begin to imagine how much that hurts the family

You Need a Thneed · 06-01-2016, 11:07 AM

I know my dad accidentally backed over my older sister when I was quite young. Luckily, I think my sister just had a broken arm.

I'd totally be fine with backup cameras being mandatory.

Robo · 06-01-2016, 11:18 AM

The main reason we bought a van with a back up camera it is so scary to think about

Superflyer · 06-01-2016, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Fuzz

I disagree because when you come home, you look at your house and the surrounding area. You know what is around. Then you back up and should see most of what is behind you. If you are backing out of a garage, a kid could easily come form the side of the house and you wouldn't see him.

But the same thing can happen backing into a garage\driveway. You start backing up, kid runs out happy daddy is home, same result. Sure you have a bit more leeway since you have a larger field of view but you look at a different mirror for a second while backing up and that's all it takes for a kid to disappear behind your tailgate.

mrkajz44 · 06-01-2016, 12:17 PM

Yeah, I'm not sure I understand how backing into your garage / parking spot makes a big difference as you are still backing up at some point. I guess sightlines might be better for one vs the other, but it doesn't change the fact that you are backing up.

As for back-up cameras - I wonder if people will become too reliant on them. Sure, nothing is directly behind you, but you should look around to the sides as you back up to make sure things are not coming into your path from the sides.