2016 NHL Draft

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by bigrangy

I'm praying someone ahead of the Flames takes Tkachuk since I'm in the Tkachuk = the sam gagner of that line camp

What? Tkachuk is nothing like Gagner.

[Wolfman]

Originally Posted by jmac98

I'd be fine with Gauthier, but would want to see the Flames utilize some asset management if that's their guy. I'd not be happy if they retained 6th and used it on this player. They should trade down if that's the case to maximize their valuable 6th selection.

I think you take the guy you want at 6 , if you trade down there is no guarantee he will be there when it's your time to select. We don't know how the other 24 teams value Gauthier. BT already managed to get two more 2nds at the deadline. Whether those are used to trade up or used to draft players that is good asset management.

[TheOnlyBilko]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I would much rather they take Jost than one of the defensemen. As long as they take one of the top ranked forwards I feel they have a good chance at a hit.

It's crossed my mind, more then once, that if we are going to take Nylander at #6 (with Dubois & Tkachuk gone), who is a "smaller" player, we might as well take Tyson Jost instead. Seems like the big draw back on Jost is his small stature, which is very similar to Alex Nylander, but I find Jost has the bigger ceiling over Nylander.

What does Calgary Puck think? Who would you rather draft between Alexander Nylander & Tyson Jost?

[TheOnlyBilko]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

On the Oilers official website, they had a spot on the side of the page showing how each of their players was doing in the World Championships. Draisaitl was among the group, despite the draft still being about 6 weeks away.

OH wow!!! I do remember that now but didn't realize it was 6 weeks before the draft!! That's nutty!!!

Thank you The Fonz

[TheOnlyBilko]

Double post

[jmac98]

Originally Posted by Wolfman

I think you take the guy you want at 6 , if you trade down there is no guarantee he will be there when it's your time to select. We don't know how the other 24 teams value Gauthier. BT already managed to get two more 2nds at the deadline. Whether those are used to trade up or used to draft players that is good asset management.

I agree you take the player you want, but that needs to coincide with the BPA concept as well, especially this high in the draft.

Gauthier is sitting what, 12th or something for North Anerican skaters? I'm not sure then where he fits in overall when adding in European skaters, but it stands to reason he's 15-20th as a conservative guess. Realizing every team has their own internal rankings, I can't imagine there is such a discrepancy between scouts to where 6th overall is that diluted in which any team is pulling in someone perceived at 15-20 otherwise.

If Calgary wanted Gauthier, my strategy would be to target the teams who are flirting with that next ledge in selecting at the draft. There's talk of the first ledge being after the first three picks. Then the next ledge being what 6 or 8th or whatever. Ultimately it's a fairly solid hypothesis as to whom the first 5 players taken are going to be. Calgary is actually at an advantage with 6 in that they get first crack at after the perceived first obvious 5 are to go. There's no clear cut 6th player that is logically next in line after Dubois and Tkatchuk.

Instead there's about 3 maybe 4 that are kind of up in the air as to whom could go next. They're all legit prospects and everyone has their opinion and their own wish list. The one thing that 'should' be common for the teams selecting 6-8/9 is that Gauthier isn't of those 4 names. As such, Calgary should head right to the 8,9th teams and say "what will you give us to jump the line and have first crack at the next wave of talent? For an early 3rd round we can swap spots and you can be the team getting your man versus getting the leftovers."

Then at 9th or whatever, you can reach a bit and should safely get Gauthier. You don't want to be heading out of the top 10 and hoping he's around if he's your guy. But you can't reach that far at 6 and take him. At least from my perspective.

[Rick M.]

Originally Posted by jmac98

I agree you take the player you want, but that needs to coincide with the BPA concept as well, especially this high in the draft.

Gauthier is sitting what, 12th or something for North Anerican skaters? I'm not sure then where he fits in overall when adding in European skaters, but it stands to reason he's 15-20th as a conservative guess. Realizing every team has their own internal rankings, I can't imagine there is such a discrepancy between scouts to where 6th overall is that diluted in which any team is pulling in someone perceived at 15-20 otherwise.

If Calgary wanted Gauthier, my strategy would be to target the teams who are flirting with that next ledge in selecting at the draft. There's talk of the first ledge being after the first three picks. Then the next ledge being what 6 or 8th or whatever. Ultimately it's a fairly solid hypothesis as to whom the first 5 players taken are going to be. Calgary is actually at an advantage with 6 in that they get first crack at after the perceived first obvious 5 are to go. There's no clear cut 6th player that is logically next in line after Dubois and Tkatchuk.

Instead there's about 3 maybe 4 that are kind of up in the air as to whom could go next. They're all legit prospects and everyone has their opinion and their own wish list. The one thing that 'should' be common for the teams selecting 6-8/9 is that Gauthier isn't of those 4 names. As such, Calgary should head right to the 8,9th teams and say "what will you give us to jump the line and have first crack at the next wave of talent? For an early 3rd round we can swap spots and you can be the team getting your man versus getting the leftovers."

Then at 9th or whatever, you can reach a bit and should safely get Gauthier. You don't want to be heading out of the top 10 and hoping he's around if he's your guy. But you can't reach that far at 6 and take him. At least from my perspective.

Why would you want to add an early 3rd round pick in a draft thought to be thin after pick 45 or 50? I still think you go for BPA at 6.

[jmac98]

Originally Posted by Rick M.

Why would you want to add an early 3rd round pick in a draft thought to be thin after pick 45 or 50? I still think you go for BPA at 6.

Assuming Tkatchuk and Dubois are gone, I'd be taking Nylander at 6 myself. Not trading down.

The other fellow was saying he liked Gauthier at 6, and I noted should Calgary want to select him that I wouldn't be upset by it, but I'd like to see them trade down instead of using their 6th for him. I mentioned an early 3rd round just for an example. Picks up an extra pick and you still get your target player. Being in that it's a thin draft, it doesn't hurt to have more selections to aid in discovering one of maybe only a few players that could become legit NHL'ers.

[Rick M.]

Originally Posted by jmac98

Assuming Tkatchuk and Dubois are gone, I'd be taking Nylander at 6 myself. Not trading down.

The other fellow was saying he liked Gauthier at 6, and I noted should Calgary want to select him that I wouldn't be upset by it, but I'd like to see them trade down instead of using their 6th for him. I mentioned an early 3rd round just for an example. Picks up an extra pick and you still get your target player. Being in that it's a thin draft, it doesn't hurt to have more selections to aid in discovering one of maybe only a few players that could become legit NHL'ers.

OK, your logic makes more sense to me now. The problem I have with trading down is that you can't be sure to get the player you want. I suspect with half decent goaltending we'll be picking much later than 6 in 2017 so I really hope the Flames hit a home run this year.

[Monahan For Mayor]

Originally Posted by TheOnlyBilko

It's crossed my mind, more then once, that if we are going to take Nylander at #6 (with Dubois & Tkachuk gone), who is a "smaller" player, we might as well take Tyson Jost instead. Seems like the big draw back on Jost is his small stature, which is very similar to Alex Nylander, but I find Jost has the bigger ceiling over Nylander.

What does Calgary Puck think? Who would you rather draft between Alexander Nylander & Tyson Jost?

I'm taking Nylander. I don't think Jost has near the ceiling Nylander has. His floor is probably higher tho.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by TheOnlyBilko

It's crossed my mind, more then once, that if we are going to take Nylander at #6 (with Dubois & Tkachuk gone), who is a "smaller" player, we might as well take Tyson Jost instead. Seems like the big draw back on Jost is his small stature, which is very similar to Alex Nylander, but I find Jost has the bigger ceiling over Nylander.

What does Calgary Puck think? Who would you rather draft between Alexander Nylander & Tyson Jost?

Nylander easily.

[Poe969]

If the Flames like Gauthier then thy should take him at 6, not trade down and hope he's there. There's no guarntee that the #7 team wouldn't pick Gauthier or the 8, or 9 or 10 wouldn't either. I wouldn't be upset if he was their guy, in all honest I might actually prefer him to Tkachuck at this point. I'd probably still take Dubois if he's there but I doubt he is.

There are a lot of players I hope the Flames take in the first 2 rounds.

[AC]

Tkachuk with a beauty goal today:
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/junio...ial-cup-final/

[Five-hole]

Originally Posted by AC

Tkachuk with a beauty goal today:
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/junio...ial-cup-final/

And, for those who think his skating has been poor, he's been playing with a high-ankle sprain.

[Trailer Fire]

I'd take Jost over Nylander. I'd take Brown over Nylander. I'd take Gauthier over Nylander. I'd take McLeod over Nylander. Hell, I'd trade the pick for a couple of 2nds next year over Nylander.

In case you couldn't tell, I don't particularly like Nylander.

[iloveicedhockey]

Those are some nice hands

[Rick M.]

Originally Posted by Five-hole

And, for those who think his skating has been poor, he's been playing with a high-ankle sprain.

Those are horrible injuries and slow to heal.

[JJ1532]

Originally Posted by Trailer Fire

I'd take Jost over Nylander. I'd take Brown over Nylander. I'd take Gauthier over Nylander. I'd take McLeod over Nylander. Hell, I'd trade the pick for a couple of 2nds next year over Nylander.

In case you couldn't tell, I don't particularly like Nylander.

Any particular reason?

[Trailer Fire]

Originally Posted by JJ1532

Any particular reason?

I watched a few games online, and he seems to take a few shifts off. He reminds me of a skilled Rene Borque without the sand paper. He has all the tools in the world, but seems to scatter them around when he is in his own end. I find he gets lost easily when defending, which makes him scramble.

I also know it isn't a super valid source, but I have a friend who lives in Mississauga and takes in games regularly as the company he works for has season tickets. He has told me nothing but bad things about Nylander and his attitude. Often blames his teammates and appears to think he is the reason the Steelheads are so good.

Also, he kicked my dog and peed in my cornflakes.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Trailer Fire

I watched a few games online, and he seems to take a few shifts off. He reminds me of a skilled Rene Borque without the sand paper. He has all the tools in the world, but seems to scatter them around when he is in his own end. I find he gets lost easily when defending, which makes him scramble.

I also know it isn't a super valid source, but I have a friend who lives in Mississauga and takes in games regularly as the company he works for has season tickets. He has told me nothing but bad things about Nylander and his attitude. Often blames his teammates and appears to think he is the reason the Steelheads are so good.

Also, he kicked my dog and peed in my cornflakes.

Brian Burke believes Alex will be better than William, who looks to be a high end scoring NHL winger. That's something I can definitely get on board with.

If Tkachuk and Dubois are gone at 6, Nylander is my choice. He's the next best forward rank wise, and our management seems to think highly of him. I imagine Juolevi will be who we pick at 6 though (again, if Dubois and Tkachuk are gone).