What is a fair Joe Colborne contract?

[N-E-B]

There's seriously people comfortable paying him more than $2mil/year? Yikes. If Colborne asked for $3.6mil/year I would hope Treliving would laugh and let him walk.

I don't hate Colborne, but I think it's a bad idea to pay bottom 6 players much more than $2mil/year.

[Madrox]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

There's seriously people comfortable paying him more than $2mil/year? Yikes. If Colborne asked for $3.6mil/year I would hope Treliving would laugh and let him walk.

I don't hate Colborne, but I think it's a bad idea to pay bottom 6 players much more than $2mil/year.

Is he a bottom 6 player? He scored at a second line rate this year, and he played over 15 minutes a game. He's closer to a top 6 than a bottom 6.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Madrox

Is he a bottom 6 player? He scored at a second line rate this year, and he played over 15 minutes a game. He's closer to a top 6 than a bottom 6.

That says more about the Flames than of Colborne

[CroFlames]

Wow so if an arbitrator awards him just under $3.9MM, the Flames have to accept it?

I like him more than most people round here, but he's not worth that much. David Jones 2.0.

[Roof-Daddy]

$2.5 x 3 years

[Poe969]

if he wants anything more than 2.5 then I think you look to deal him. I like him and think he does well with Backlund and Frolik but it hast to be reasonable, he is a decent trade chip though.

[Robbob]

Give him Lance Bouma money 3 yr 6.6 total (2.1m, 2.2, 2.3).

[Demetric]

traded for Kreider

[Fire of the Phoenix]

I think the Flames will trade his rights to avoid a potential unfavorable arbitration ruling if they can't get him signed before July 1. Can't take the risk he gets $3m-$3.9m with the team's cap situation.

That being said, Hoffman only got $2m in arbitration after a 27 goal 48 point season so that bodes well as he is a good comparable. However I still don't think the Flames will risk it. If he doesn't play ball I think he gets traded.

[Northendzone]

was he getting more ice time in march - or did he change his stick or get new skates or something.

I like joe, but not at something close to $4.0m/year. stuns me that guys like him could make that kind of money. although I will acknowledge that there are only about a 100 guys in the world at his skill level for this sport

[gvitaly]

I think that at this point it needs to be a 1 year deal. Ideally it will be less than $2.5M. At this point I see a lot more risk than reward in any long term commitment to Joe. A lot of his performance will depend on the new head coach, and his ability to consistently produce.
If we sign Joe to 3 year $2.5M-$3M contract there are three scenarios:

1. He returns to the same level of play he showed at the beginning of last season, in that case he is $1-1.5M overpaid.
2. He produces at the same rate he did over the last 2 seasons(14G, 36P in 69GP per season), in which case it is a fair contract.
3. He keeps producing like he did at the end of the season (9G, 20P in the last 20GP). In that case he would be a bargain and save us about $3M in cap space.

Unfortunately, I see one of the first two scenarios a lot more likely than the latter.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by Northendzone

was he getting more ice time in march - or did he change his stick or get new skates or something.

Got put on Backlund and Frolik's line + had (IIRC) a 25% shooting percentage spike. AKA he got put with the two guys on the team that are best at pushing play into the offensive zone then had a run of good puck luck.

[bigrangy]

Colborne has one of the stupidest most non-sensical applications of advanced stats in his favour with his production late this year. You know how everyone thought Crosby was playing ridiculous hockey from the all-star break onwards? Colborne was matching Crosby's rate (even-strength points/60) of production from feb 1 through the end of the season. JoCo was producing like a legitimate top 10 player for 30 games, and his agent knows that. I could see JoCo signing a 1 year bridge, hoping to play more like he did at the end of the year all season. He'd get a monster contract if he even fell off a bit.

I like JoCo a lot, and I feel there is significant risk with his contract, but I think he can be a long-term part of the Flames.

If Brad were to sign him to a 6-year, 2/yr deal, I don't know if it would necessarily be a bad thing.

[Street Pharmacist]

Colborne saw production increase for the same reason Bouma did the year before: Backlund

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by bigrangy

Colborne has one of the stupidest most non-sensical applications of advanced stats in his favour with his production late this year. You know how everyone thought Crosby was playing ridiculous hockey from the all-star break onwards? Colborne was matching Crosby's rate (even-strength points/60) of production from feb 1 through the end of the season. JoCo was producing like a legitimate top 10 player for 30 games, and his agent knows that. I could see JoCo signing a 1 year bridge, hoping to play more like he did at the end of the year all season. He'd get a monster contract if he even fell off a bit.

I like JoCo a lot, and I feel there is significant risk with his contract, but I think he can be a long-term part of the Flames.

If Brad were to sign him to a 6-year, 2/yr deal, I don't know if it would necessarily be a bad thing.

6 years seems like way too long. Not sure why Colborne would agree to that. I do think he will be in the $2mil range, give or take.

An just no, to "JoCo".

[The Yen Man]

I have an Oiler friend who said he'd do a Colborne for Yakupov deal. I could live with that.

[FlameZilla]

Until we find some better RWers there's a good chance Colborne will be getting top-6 minutes this season.

To be honest I would like to see him on the top line unless we sign or trade for a guy like Okposo. He has good hands, is big enough to leverage for position in front of the net & on the boards & has shown chemisty with Monahan in the past.

Sign him long term at $2m then turn him into a top 6 winger. Abbracadabra

[CroFlames]

Hah JoCo.

I'm using that just to irk people.

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by FlameZilla

Until we find some better RWers there's a good chance Colborne will be getting top-6 minutes this season.

To be honest I would like to see him on the top line unless we sign or trade for a guy like Okposo. He has good hands, is big enough to leverage for position in front of the net & on the boards & has shown chemisty with Monahan in the past.

Tried this past season and didn't work.

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

I have an Oiler friend who said he'd do a Colborne for Yakupov deal. I could live with that.

Yakupov is getting paid $2.5 millions, I'd rather pay that to Joe Colborne