Stabbing in Brentwood-5 Dead, 1 Arrested

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

I wonder if his Facebook status prior to the murders were brought up in court. He posted lyrics to a song which in the song some of the lyrics were

Seem unlikely that all avenues of evidence would have been investigated.

[AltaGuy]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

I wonder if his Facebook status prior to the murders were brought up in court. He posted lyrics to a song which in the song some of the lyrics were

I'm sure it was looked at by the prosecution and psychiatrists. But really, this type of "really makes you wonder, doesn't it?" opening is a giant gear grinder for me. The start of every conspiracy theory or thinly-veiled cherry-picked "argument" ever...

What were the other lyrics of the song, what was the context, what does it actually mean, how many song lyrics did this schizophrenic person post, did he even know what he was posting, etc, etc.

But the insinuation inherent in, "wonder if they showed THIS in court..." Ugh.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by AltaGuy

I'm sure it was looked at by the prosecution and psychiatrists. But really, this type of "really makes you wonder, doesn't it?" opening is a giant gear grinder for me. The start of every conspiracy theory or thinly-veiled cherry-picked "argument" ever...

What were the other lyrics of the song, what was the context, what does it actually mean, how many song lyrics did this schizophrenic person post, did he even know what he was posting, etc, etc.

But the insinuation inherent in, "wonder if they showed THIS in court..." Ugh.

Not at all. I have no doubt he was insane at the time just weird how not a single media person brought up those lyrics as it would make for a pretty popular story and gather a lot of attention...pretty much what the media wants.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

Not at all. I have no doubt he was insane at the time just weird how not a single media person brought up those lyrics as it would make for a pretty popular story and gather a lot of attention...pretty much what the media wants.

not a one eh?

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...ticle18069110/

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/ca...d-summer-plans

http://www.calgaryherald.com/Police+...998/story.html

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

Not at all. I have no doubt he was insane at the time just weird how not a single media person brought up those lyrics as it would make for a pretty popular story and gather a lot of attention...pretty much what the media wants.

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

not a one eh?

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...ticle18069110/

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/ca...d-summer-plans

http://www.calgaryherald.com/Police+...998/story.html

Give me your internet badge and gun. You're off the case!

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by T@T

Story's of him being somewhat a social misfit, his acting normal at work just a couple of hours earlier, his psychology background and even his relationship with his dad have people suspicious.

He wasn't a social misfit, just kind of shy. Otherwise well-liked. And he wasn't acting normal at work - his co-workers said he was acting strange. He had also been sending increasingly deranged texts for days.

So yeah, it sounds like the people you talked to haven't even bothered to inform themselves about a subject they feel very strongly about. Which is pretty typical, and why the average person's views on these matters shouldn't carry much weight.

Originally Posted by MattyC

I'm curious about what people the people who are claiming a "lack of empathy for the families", or want to see "justice" for the families want to see from the people discussing the issues around the case?

I wonder this too. What can strangers do in a situation like this? If something this terrible happened to a loved one of mine, I would want the rest of society to just leave me alone to grieve.

Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

IMO justice for the family should be the absolute #1 priority in cases like this. The rehabilitation of the perpetrator should be down the list. But god forbid I say something like that because now the NCR crowd will be all over me because suddenly I'm not sympathetic towards the thousands of people with schizophrenia or mental illness.

Then we're told ''but that's our justice system and thank god it works that way''. Well guess what, many Canadians disagree with it and don't think it's good enough.

What does justice mean to you? Revenge? Our legal system isn't based on personal revenge, and hasn't been for centuries. Criminal cases are state vs the accused, not victim or their family vs accused. Our system is also meant to keep emotion out of the equation. That's why justice is portrayed as a blindfolded, blank-faced woman holding scales. No anger, no joy.

A lot of people find that kind of dispassionate application of justice unsatisfying. But looking back in history, and around the world today, I'll take it over the alternatives.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

not a one eh?

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...ticle18069110/

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/ca...d-summer-plans

http://www.calgaryherald.com/Police+...998/story.html

From my posts I obviously meant during the trial. Those are from 2014. I know they initially brought it up which is how I knew about his Facebook posts but from what I saw from the media nobody brought it up again.

[Jordan!]

This is nuts, at some point we are responsible for ourselves to seek treatment. He didn't and this was the result. 5 senseless deaths.

I hope he never sees the light of day as a free man.

[OMG!WTF!]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

From my posts I obviously meant during the trial. Those are from 2014. I know they initially brought it up which is how I knew about his Facebook posts but from what I saw from the media nobody brought it up again.

I guess two years of investigation by several psychiatric professionals was enough. But yeah, song lyrics.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Bouw N Arrow

This is nuts, at some point we are responsible for ourselves to seek treatment. He didn't and this was the result. 5 senseless deaths.

I hope he never sees the light of day as a free man.

How in the hell do you seek treatment for something you don't understand you have? That'd be like telling a terminally ill cancer patient "hey, you know at some point you have to take responsibility for not seeking treatment for this before they found it".

[HarryH93]

Originally Posted by T@T

In my travels yesterday I made it a point to ask people (more than a few brought it up to me) about the verdict, funny that out of the 20+ people discussing it only 2 actually agreed with the judge, over half don't believe the kid at all, most could care less about the mental health and just want justice for the victims and a few even said it was set up because de Groods dad was a cop. In other words a large majority want justice for the 5 murders. Try it yourself today, ask people you run into what they thought of the verdict and wait for the answer before you give them your opinion.

Before anyone asks "what type of people?".. over half were professionals including a doctor, 2 nurses, a golf pro and an oil company pres.

It's so amazing the difference between members of this forum and "joe" public on subjects like this. Not all but I believe some in here try the "political correct" game a little too much and are afraid to speak their minds.

"My doctor, oil and gas president, and professional athlete friends think that the judge got it wrong. I told you I'm right!!"

Because their opinions on whether or not the kid is schizophrenic are more reliable than the professionals who have spent 2 years looking into it.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

From my posts I obviously meant during the trial. Those are from 2014. I know they initially brought it up which is how I knew about his Facebook posts but from what I saw from the media nobody brought it up again.

Proving what? Just further evidence that he was not mentally well? His Facebook posts are mentioned in the psychiatrist's report.

[rubecube]

nm

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Bouw N Arrow

This is nuts, at some point we are responsible for ourselves to seek treatment. He didn't and this was the result. 5 senseless deaths.

I hope he never sees the light of day as a free man.

The defining feature of psychosis is the inability to recognize reality.

[pylon]

Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

Not since the days of the E=NG thread has a circle jerk been this strong in a thread. Disagree with the NCR crowd and suddenly you're right in the middle of it.

My position is if you kill someone (5 people no less), mental illness does not excuse your actions. While DeGrood might not have been ''himself'', someone slaughtered 5 people. Who was it? DeGrood. But god forbid you disagree with the notion of keeping him away from the rest of society even if he's on his meds. Medication we are trusting him to take by himself at some point.

IMO justice for the family should be the absolute #1 priority in cases like this. The rehabilitation of the perpetrator should be down the list. But god forbid I say something like that because now the NCR crowd will be all over me because suddenly I'm not sympathetic towards the thousands of people with schizophrenia or mental illness.

Then we're told ''but that's our justice system and thank god it works that way''. Well guess what, many Canadians disagree with it and don't think it's good enough.

Well said. You were able to sum it up far more eloquently than I ever could.

It is entirely possible to empathize with DeGrood, and still feel he should never be free again. I couldn't imagine such insanity invading my head. But I also couldn't imagine eventually walking free one day either. In all honesty, if my body and mind somehow slaughtered 5 innocent people, I would take myself out the first chance I got. I would never be able to live with it.

[jayswin]

Despite being on the other side of the argument pylon, agreed I'd never be able to live with knowing I did something like that.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by pylon

Well said. You were able to sum it up far more eloquently than I ever could.

It is entirely possible to empathize with DeGrood, and still feel he should never be free again.

Just like it's entirely possible to empathize with him, his family, and the families of the victims.

I couldn't imagine such insanity invading my head. But I also couldn't imagine eventually walking free one day either. In all honesty, if my body and mind somehow slaughtered 5 innocent people, I would take myself out the first chance I got. I would never be able to live with it.

A) you can't imagine the insanity, yet can imagine what your rational mind would decide to do in such a scenario?

B) He did try to kill himself, or at least, tried to make the police do it.

[corporatejay]

To be honest, I don't even know what "Justice for the family" means. Can you quantify that?

Before you guys all jump on me for participating in this circle jerk, I also don't think that he should ever be released, but that's because there is no way to ensure he doesn't do this again.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

To be honest, I don't even know what "Justice for the family" means. Can you quantify that?

Before you guys all jump on me for participating in this circle jerk, I also don't think that he should ever be released, but that's because there is no way to ensure he doesn't do this again.

With the amount of medication and supervision he'll be forced to be under, he'll probably be less likely to kill than any random unmedicated and unsupervised person.

[IliketoPuck]

Originally Posted by rubecube

With the amount of medication and supervision he'll be forced to be under, he'll probably be less likely to kill than any random unmedicated and unsupervised person.