05-24-2016, 10:54 PM
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#401
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Every time you think that one team has a bit of an advantage in these conference finals bam, momentum changes
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05-24-2016, 10:58 PM
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#402
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Fearmongerer
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Wondering when # became hashtag and not a number sign.
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Originally Posted by nik-
it's a pretty significant chuck of change for a completely average stop gap.
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He was much better than average during the season though (statisitcally speaking)
If his acquisition cost is low, he is a decent option. Im still hoping its a younger guy with upside type myself, but MAF would be acceptable.
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05-24-2016, 11:52 PM
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#403
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Lifetime Suspension
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Calling Fleury "average" is ridiculous.
He was very good this year before his injury, and seeing a handful of people on here dismiss him because of one poor game after returning rusty and cold from injury is pretty typical.
If Fleury could be had at a good deal, he'd be an extremely strong starter for us for a couple years. He was in the upper tier of goalies this season prior to getting hurt and there's no doubt he has a few good years left.
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05-25-2016, 12:00 AM
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#404
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In the Sin Bin
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Originally Posted by GoJetsGo
He was very good this year before his injury, and seeing a handful of people on here dismiss him because of one poor game after returning rusty and cold from injury is pretty typical.
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No, people are dismissing him after years and years of playoff failures that often had a large part to do with his goaltending. There's no way I can believe in Fleury after watching him melt down in so many different playoffs. It's hard to erase that from our memory banks. I think there's a decent chunk of us that feel he's been overrated for a long time. One really good regular season does not erase the rest of his past history.
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05-25-2016, 12:04 AM
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#405
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Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher
No, people are dismissing him after years and years of playoff failures that often had a large part to do with his goaltending. There's no way I can believe in Fleury after watching him melt down in so many different playoffs. It's hard to erase that from our memory banks. I think there's a decent chunk of us that feel he's been overrated for a long time. One really good regular season does not erase the rest of his past history.
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I think that is major hyperbole to hang so many of the Pens' playoff troubles on Fleury. They have had a ton of problems with a lot of big players wearing goat horns in recent years.
He's made the finals and won a cup, and his regular season numbers in the last few years put him up there among #1 goalies.
No issue with anyone wanting to go another route, but calling Fleury average is asinine, as is the handful of people soured on him for game 5 in isolation.
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05-25-2016, 12:04 AM
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#406
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Calgary
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Anyone want to argue the Flames will be worse off with Fleury or Ramo. Because we can go back to that nightmare if we want. I'm so glad Ramo and Hiller won't be back.
Seriously, wake up kids, if Fleury is the worst the Flames get they'll still be in better hands than they were before. Over rated or not.
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05-25-2016, 12:07 AM
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#407
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Franchise Player
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That would depend entirely on what the Flames have to give up to acquire Fleury.
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05-25-2016, 12:12 AM
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#408
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Calgary
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To then Pens especially,the cap freedom from moving Fleury will be the greatest asset. Could see a 2nd round pick go back their way if that what reality is for them. Same as the Isles and Halak.
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05-25-2016, 11:29 AM
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#409
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by dammage79
Anyone want to argue the Flames will be worse off with Fleury or Ramo. Because we can go back to that nightmare if we want. I'm so glad Ramo and Hiller won't be back.
Seriously, wake up kids, if Fleury is the worst the Flames get they'll still be in better hands than they were before. Over rated or not.
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I sincerely hope that the Flames' management team does not use the 'he's better than Ramo and Hiller' argument in building the team.
It's a question of value: how good is he? what's his cap hit? and what does it cost to acquire him? If other goalies can cover those questions better than Fleury, then he should not be a target.
'Better than Hiller' is not a functional criterion.
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05-25-2016, 11:33 AM
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#410
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Enoch Root
I sincerely hope that the Flames' management team does not use the 'he's better than Ramo and Hiller' argument in building the team.
It's a question of value: how good is he? what's his cap hit? and what does it cost to acquire him? If other goalies can cover those questions better than Fleury, then he should not be a target.
'Better than Hiller' is not a functional criterion.
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Well his cap equals his level of play. And I've made the argument that the cost of acquisition will be low as the Pens will value the cap space first and foremost.
And meant if Fleury was the worst the Flames could do was that most other options did not pan out. You cannot deny that having Fleury in net is miles and miles ahead of the atrocity they rolled out last season.
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05-25-2016, 11:35 AM
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#411
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by united
Penguins also with five:
Crosby
Hornqvist
Sheary
Rust
Hagelin
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Anyone that calls Crosby small does not understand what the discussion is about.
Yes, he's only 5'11", but Crosby is built like a brick ****house. His legs are huge, and he is arguably the strongest player on his skates in the league.
And Hornqvist is a physical, gritty player.
The attempts to argue that size doesn't matter, are hilarious and misguided. It matters. And the Flames currently lose the physical battle. They need to get bigger. And they will get bigger - no matter how many times people try to argue that bigger somehow means less talented.
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05-25-2016, 12:31 PM
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#413
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher
No, people are dismissing him after years and years of playoff failures that often had a large part to do with his goaltending. There's no way I can believe in Fleury after watching him melt down in so many different playoffs. It's hard to erase that from our memory banks. I think there's a decent chunk of us that feel he's been overrated for a long time. One really good regular season does not erase the rest of his past history.
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Fleury is the definition of a reliable number one goaltender. He's very consistently put up 60+ starts, 35+ wins and a GAA better of .915. If his acquisition cost is low, he should be given serious consideration.
There are other goaltenders out there with more upside and no acquisition cost who may cost less in salary who you might find more desirable but to say that Fleury has had one good season and a history of playoff failure is way off the marc.
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05-25-2016, 01:06 PM
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Self-Retired
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Fleury is hot garbage on a massive, hand cuffing contract. I would be really surprised if Treliving brought him in and for me personally, it would be the first time that I would legitimately question if BT had a proper strategy for building this team.
Kucherov though... This guy has been terrible this series and simply looks lost, behind the play, or has zero ability to make smart decisions with the puck and has no desire to battle for contested pucks. Yes hes being checked like crazy, but elite players fight through that stuff.
If TB loses game 7, Does Yzerman look at moving Kucherov?
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05-25-2016, 01:15 PM
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by IgiTang
Fleury is hot garbage on a massive, hand cuffing contract. I would be really surprised if Treliving brought him in and for me personally, it would be the first time that I would legitimately question if BT had a proper strategy for building this team.
Kucherov though... This guy has been terrible this series and simply looks lost, behind the play, or has zero ability to make smart decisions with the puck and has no desire to battle for contested pucks. Yes hes being checked like crazy, but elite players fight through that stuff.
If TB loses game 7, Does Yzerman look at moving Kucherov?
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No
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05-25-2016, 01:23 PM
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#416
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Quote:
Originally Posted by IgiTang
Fleury is hot garbage on a massive, hand cuffing contract. I would be really surprised if Treliving brought him in and for me personally, it would be the first time that I would legitimately question if BT had a proper strategy for building this team.
Kucherov though... This guy has been terrible this series and simply looks lost, behind the play, or has zero ability to make smart decisions with the puck and has no desire to battle for contested pucks. Yes hes being checked like crazy, but elite players fight through that stuff.
If TB loses game 7, Does Yzerman look at moving Kucherov?
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Head shaking, cringe-worthy post. 
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05-25-2016, 01:27 PM
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#417
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Self-Retired
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Originally Posted by GoJetsGo
Head shaking, cringe-worthy post. |
Why? Dont just make a slight then run.. back up your opinion.
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05-25-2016, 01:31 PM
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#418
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Quote:
Originally Posted by IgiTang
Why? Dont just make a slight then run.. back up your opinion.
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Not to pick on you but Fleury is not "hot garbage". You can debate on his worth in the playoffs but he's been a solid starting goaltender over his career. I think some people should go take a look at Kippers career stats as you will see he had some down years where his save percentage hovered around .900. Goaltenders that play long enough will typically have some down years.
As for Kucherov he's their franchise forward so there's absolutely no way Yzerman even considers trading him seeing Stamkos is likely leaving via free agency.
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05-25-2016, 01:31 PM
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#419
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Scoring Winger
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Originally Posted by IgiTang
Why? Dont just make a slight then run.. back up your opinion.
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Probably the same reason why Treliving didn't trade Gaudreau after being eliminated by the ducks last year.
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05-25-2016, 01:38 PM
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#420
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Lifetime Suspension
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Quote:
Originally Posted by IgiTang
Why? Dont just make a slight then run.. back up your opinion.
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Some posts are so awful they don't need explaining, but here you go:
(1) You just called one of the top 10 - 15 goalies in the NHL "hot garbage"
(2) Your question about asking if Tampa should "move Kucherov" would be very similar to asking if they Flames should "move Gaudreau"
Both the beginning and end of that post contained egregious assertions.
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