2016 NHL Draft

[dammage79]

I really don't think Tkachuk or Dubois will be there @ 6. Either team will sooner trade down to take a D man if they want. But the way almost everyone is going on and raving about Tkachuk, he shouldn't get past 5. It's a case of he and Dubois being a clear cut above the the D men. I think that's been pretty consistently made mention of outside of even the most ardent ranting and raving by posters here.

The Juolevi mind games Burke might be trying play with the Oil or Vancouver will really amount to nothing. Tkachuk and Dubois will go top 5. To which team should be the debate. And I don't know how comfortable the Oil or Nucks would be trading to CGY either.

[Robbob]

Are we devaluing the dmen because of our current depth? If you were starting a team and had a Winger and Dmen rated the same then who do you take. I think most management builds from the net out (except Oilers and we see where they are) and I think most fans take the "instant gratification" type player (will play sooner). I am not convinced a dman isn't capable of jumping in front of one of those two forwards.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Well we know as teammmates at the U18s, Keller (2.0 PPG) outscored Brown (1.44 PPG) by ~38.9%

Despite all the caveats (tiny sample, translatability) I think it's safe to say that there's a gap between their skill level that's "that" much more. Now whether you think the gap in skill will translate "that" much more at the next level is the real question.

I wasn't referring to Keller vs Brown there, but rather Keller vs Jost. IMO, Keller is more skilled than Jost, but not that much more skilled.

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Actually Brown least fits what the Flames are needing. First off, he is not physical at all and he never will be. More importantly he is a centre and is going to play as one so exactly where is he going to play on our squad? We are set at centre going forward for sure in the top two spots, moving either Bennett or Monahan to the wing would be stupidity. The third line C spot is locked down by Backlund with others like Jankowski challenging. Now you take into factor how many 6'6 skill players you ever see in the NHL go on to have a great career, you don't. Brown is the absolute last guy mentioned in the upper half of the draft we should be considering.

Firstly, when you watch the U18s, you did see Brown use his size in a more truculent manner. Does that mean he is truculent, or becoming truculent? I wouldn't bank on it.

However, getting bigger in the top 6 isn't just about getting more truculent in the top 6. The Flames have been adamant that they need to get BIGGER. I haven't heard a peep out of Treliving or Burke in the last year about needing to be more truculent. They just need more size to make it more difficult to play against. Jeff Carter and Anze Kopitar are not truculent players, but they are both players who have a lot of skill and size.

As for Brown 'needing to be a center' - where do you base that off? If the Flames draft Brown, he plays center only if they decide that Brown makes a better center and someone else goes to the wing. I have Jankowski penciled-in for a wing spot at some point, and only a Backlund trade (or perhaps, if things go really well, a really good development arc where he pushes Backlund to the wing) will change that IMO - at least for the foreseeable future.

Lots of centers get taken in the draft, and lots become wingers. I would rather the Flames take a center over a winger if all things are the same, as now you have more flexibility in your lineup, and at least you hope that your converted center can be better on the draws, can hopefully be better defensively, and even move over back to center during injuries. I really don't understand your argument and how Brown HAS to play center or not at all.

[iloveicedhockey]

Jost is a huge riser in that second set of rankings listed a few posts above, having him at 4. Any chance he sneaks up into our pick? How big a factor is the league he plays in on his ranking?

[Monahan For Mayor]

Where is it coming from that Burke has Juolevi before Nylander ?

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Monahan For Mayor

Where is it coming from that Burke has Juolevi before Nylander ?

Season ticket holder meeting today. Burke said it was Tkachuk, Dubois and Juolevi on their ledge 4-6. But he also said some things about Nylander that can be construed as they're really high on him too.

[Monahan For Mayor]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Season ticket holder meeting today. Burke said it was Tkachuk, Dubois and Juolevi on their ledge 4-6. But he also said some things about Nylander that can be construed as they're really high on him too.

That seems like a strange thing to reveal, does this commonly happen ?

[polak]

Its a way to mess with another teams head.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Monahan For Mayor

That seems like a strange thing to reveal, does this commonly happen ?

Brian Burke lying? Yes, that happens frequently.

[Monahan For Mayor]

Okay that's what I thought.

[dammage79]

Yikes, Tkachuk better have some sort of leg injury because he looks gross out there during the memorial cup. The last penalty he took tonight was lazy and because of poor skating.

Edit: to his credit, he has a great nose for the net. Pretty sure he tipped the Juolevi shot for the 2-0 goal. Still he skate like poo in this tourney.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Yeah I'm pretty sure that injury from the OHL finals is still hampering him. But if EDM and VAN wanna pass on him because of that we'll happily take him

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Yeah I'm pretty sure that injury from the OHL finals is still hampering him. But if EDM and VAN wanna pass on him because of that we'll happily take him

If that's the case that's cool. Not going to think any lower of him.

They may pass on him, but they'll likely trade down (not to hated rivals the Flames) if they think they're going to pass. Still think Tkachuk/Dubois go 4-5.

[Rick M.]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Yikes, Tkachuk better have some sort of leg injury because he looks gross out there during the memorial cup. The last penalty he took tonight was lazy and because of poor skating.

Edit: to his credit, he has a great nose for the net. Pretty sure he tipped the Juolevi shot for the 2-0 goal. Still he skate like poo in this tourney.

I wondered what was up in the OHL final as well. It seemed that every time he got near the puck he fell down. A foot or ankle injury might explain it.

[red sky]

Originally Posted by Rick M.

I wondered what was up in the OHL final as well. It seemed that every time he got near the puck he fell down. A foot or ankle injury might explain it.

He heard rumblings that the Oilers are interested in him and he can't just pretend to not be able to do a pullup as that has been done before. He had to be creative, I hope for his sake that it was enough.

[sureLoss]

heads up Conroy coming up on Sportsnet 960 to talk draft

[sureLoss]

Conroy:

group of 5 or 6 players for next 3 spots (after top 3)
feel we are pretty solid at defence, but there are a few intriguing defenceman (in this draft)
we just order them in the way we think of them as players (re: forwards over defencmen)
top 10 is pretty much cemented - though something at the combine might change things

doesn't think 2nd round is as deep
some players they like that won't help right now, but could pop and provide depth
could take fliers on guys with multiple picks - maybe take a goalie, maybe take a risk

Conroy has 1 defenceman he personally likes way better than others - (of Juolevi, Chychrun, Sergachev)

[Lanny_McDonald]

Conroy also mentioned that their top 10 has changed since the start of the year. Some guys have pushed their way in and some guys have found their way out.

Button and his scouts run the show on selection.

[SuperMatt18]

Kinda sounds like the guy he likes best there was Juolevi.

Makes sense though - Juolevi has the highest hockey sense of the 3 and that is always a common trend you hear when Conroy is talking.

Hell think he mentioned hockey sense 5 times in this interview already.

[sureLoss]

Conroy says Tod Button requested that if Treliving decides to move a bunch of picks like they did for Hamilton, to do it before the day before the draft

Conroy would love for an expansion draft to come because more goalies would be on the market.
Says prices are high for goalies right now.

Conroy laments dropping so far in the 2012 draft. Says historically no one drops that far for just a 2nd round pick.

Gives an example of when the Flames might trade up: If a guy they have ranked 11th is still available at 28, then that is when they would consider trading up.