Flames GM kept busy while in Russia at Worlds

[DJones]

Originally Posted by mile

http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpos...&postcount=186

lel

Why did he quotation the word opinion? haha

Anyway, as usual I am utterly baffled at how someone can take offense to anything said in this article.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by DJones

Why did quotation the word opinion?

[Poster]

All business people who are overseas on a business trip work through the night managing their business.

this is news? did anyone actually think he wasnt in constant communication with whoever he is doing business with?

[EldrickOnIce]

^ of course it isn't news.
There is no Flames news, so just a puff piece in a slow news period.
Nothing to see here

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Poster

All business people who are overseas on a business trip work through the night managing their business.

this is news? did anyone actually think he wasnt in constant communication with whoever he is doing business with?

Well you do have that portion of this site that was freaking out that a new coach had not been hired because Treliving was working in Russia. This article should give them some relief to know he was still working hard at making the flames better even though he was working for hockey Canada for a month and a half

[DeluxeMoustache]

This article was not really what I would call news. It was similar to most of what you hear from Treliving. Lengthy description about the fact that there is a process, that he is working hard, talking on the phone a lot, doing due diligence, yada, yada. Nothing material to report though, and especially nothing to which he can be held accountable.

I get how some people think he is smart. He doesn't put out any concrete statements like, say, Feaster did, upon which he can be held accountable.

That is fine but I will be impressed by results, and that is something that he has not, to this point, delivered.

I am honestly perplexed at the approval the guy gets.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Poe969

That's a load of BS. Having 3 goalies wasn't that bad. Having 3 goalies who couldn't stop a beach ball was what killed the team. If they psyche was so fragile that having 3 goalies on the roster made them play that poorly, it's a good thing the team figured out what they had before re-signing them. If you're being so absurd about it, you can argue that having 3 goalies actually helped the team, all 3 goalies were playing bad and having 3 of them just gave the team an option to go with whoever was the "best of the worst". Either way, it was a mistake and he owned up to it.

I think it was a three way mistake. Treliving signed one too many goalies, and then couldn't get rid of one. That's a mistake. Hartley couldn't seem to handle the situation he was given very well. He openly complained about it and, in a way that was completely opposite what happened the previous season, seemed to make the wrong moves each time with his goalies. And the goalies, like you said, also handled the situation badly by (a) not grabbing the role of starter and/or backup with their play and (b) seemingly resenting the fact they had to compete for the jobs.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

This article was not really what I would call news. It was similar to most of what you hear from Treliving. Lengthy description about the fact that there is a process, that he is working hard, talking on the phone a lot, doing due diligence, yada, yada. Nothing material to report though, and especially nothing to which he can be held accountable.

I get how some people think he is smart. He doesn't put out any concrete statements like, say, Feaster did, upon which he can be held accountable.

That is fine but I will be impressed by results, and that is something that he has not, to this point, delivered.

I am honestly perplexed at the approval the guy gets.

I am equally as perplexed by the lack of faith or dislike people have for him. What has he done so poorly? Look at the goalies. Lehner and Jones get traded for 1st round picks. Would you be okay with him doing that?

He got great return for rental players getting 2 picks for Glencross (who was out of the league a couple months later) and Hudler. He then gets a pick, prospect, and young player for Russell who some thought was hardly a NHL player.

He also stole Dougie Hamilton from Boston for a mid first and a couple of seconds. For the second straight draft under his watch the Flames have 3 second round picks.

His contracts for Brodie, Hamilton, and Gio all were less than people thought before they were signed

To me his missteps have been Raymond, and Bollig. Other than that the other moves have made sense and been fairly solid. He definitely tried for a goalie last summer but couldn't get one. He tried to trade Hiller but couldn't.

I like the results thus far. He took over a team that finished their first full season in a long overdue rebuild. Not sure what people expect

[MarkGio]

Originally Posted by Husky

If I am a player needing to be resigned I want to know who my coach is going to be before putting pen to paper. Same goes for upcoming free agency. Need to have a captain for the ship in the next week.

Its possible that Trevy fired Hartley when he did so that he could achieve more with his pending free agents or with outside agents.

Remember, Hartley had a reputation of being a hard ass. If im JG, I would want a lot of coin in order to endure more of that.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I am equally as perplexed by the lack of faith or dislike people have for him.

For some of us this is pretty simple. Results = standings.

Essentially for some of us the jury will be out for at least a couple more years.

(The dislike I don't really get. Although I don't find him likable either.)

[MarkGio]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

This article was not really what I would call news. It was similar to most of what you hear from Treliving. Lengthy description about the fact that there is a process, that he is working hard, talking on the phone a lot, doing due diligence, yada, yada. Nothing material to report though, and especially nothing to which he can be held accountable.

I get how some people think he is smart. He doesn't put out any concrete statements like, say, Feaster did, upon which he can be held accountable.

That is fine but I will be impressed by results, and that is something that he has not, to this point, delivered.

I am honestly perplexed at the approval the guy gets.

Yeah, nobody should receive blind loyalty, but there's no question he has pulled off some great moves. Although, my biggest knock on him is that he kept Huska.

[868904]

Originally Posted by Itse

For some of us this is pretty simple. Results = standings.

Essentially for some of us the jury will be out for at least a couple more years.

(The dislike I don't really get. Although I don't find him likable either.)

At the beginning of the 2014/2015 season (first season under Treliving), what was your expectation for the Flames? Did you expect them to make the playoffs that year? Did you expect them to make the playoffs in 2015/2016?

I'm guessing you didn't. Because no one expected that. The Flames were and are in a rebuild. Most didn't expect a playoff appearance for at least 3 years.

So if you want to talk results, Treliving's team made the playoffs last year and that's a positive result. Or are you one of those who will put all of that success on Hartley, and all of the failures on Treliving?

As far as I'm concerned, Treliving made moves to improve the team last summer (Hamiton and Frolik), yet the team had bad results. Is that on Treliving? Or the coach who was provided with a better team than the one previous? if you want to talk results, well it looks like the Hartley firing was justified cause he was given better personnel but failed.

[polak]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I think it was a three way mistake. Treliving signed one too many goalies, and then couldn't get rid of one. That's a mistake. Hartley couldn't seem to handle the situation he was given very well. He openly complained about it and, in a way that was completely opposite what happened the previous season, seemed to make the wrong moves each time with his goalies. And the goalies, like you said, also handled the situation badly by (a) not grabbing the role of starter and/or backup with their play and (b) seemingly resenting the fact they had to compete for the jobs.

If Ramo doesn't get hurt this is a non-issue. Ramo ran away with the starter job.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by polak

If Ramo doesn't get hurt this is a non-issue. Ramo ran away with the starter job.

And if Treliving doesn't sign Ramo, they may not have won 20 games. The other two were that bad. Then we have to give up assets, however inconsequential, for Reimer or Ward. Great.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by 868904

So if you want to talk results, Treliving's team made the playoffs last year and that's a positive result. Or are you one of those who will put all of that success on Hartley, and all of the failures on Treliving?

I think most would agree that it was Feasters team that made the playoffs.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

...I get how some people think he is smart. He doesn't put out any concrete statements like, say, Feaster did, upon which he can be held accountable.

That is fine but I will be impressed by results, and that is something that he has not, to this point, delivered.

I am honestly perplexed at the approval the guy gets.

Anyone expecting instant results from a first-time GM was fooling himself. These things take time, and to this point I would say that a good number of Treliving's decisions look like they will be significant factors toward achieving positive results in the near future. That is all that can be expected following two full seasons of a GM's first tenure, and Treliving HAS delivered on that.

[Huntingwhale]

Originally Posted by Poster

All business people who are overseas on a business trip work through the night managing their business.

this is news? did anyone actually think he wasnt in constant communication with whoever he is doing business with?

Actually yes, there were some people who were quite vocal about him going overseas to a tournament and thought he was neglecting his duties as Flames' GM. It was hilarious to read, yet also sad that some people legitimately believed that.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Itse

I think most would agree that it was Feasters team that made the playoffs.

Anytime there is transition from one GM to the next and immediate success happens, you could technically claim that because no GM is going to turn over more than 50% of the roster in one off season.

However, what this stance fails to take into account is what moves Feaster might have made instead of Treliving. For instance, maybe Feaster doesn't sign Hiller and runs with Ramo/Ortio. No way to know for sure, but you have to give BT props for that, even if Hiller disintegrated in 15/16. No Hiller in 14/15, no playoffs, simple as that. For all we know, Feaster attempts another Richards-esque brain dead move in the summer of 2014 that cripples the franchise long term because it actually works. Maybe he offers Stasnty $8.5m x7yrs or something like that, I wouldn't put it past him. Or maybe Cammalleri is still here at $6m per year or something. Point is, things would be different than they were, so you can't call the 14/15 Flames "Feaster's team". I don't care what Burke said about
Feaster later, he was just being classy as far as I'm concerned, he fired him for good reason.

There is also a lot to be said for credibility at the top of the organization and how that perception would flow down to the players. Things like the ROR fiasco weren't lost on the players, nor were things like his embarrassing blathering in the media. Having a strong, credible presence at the top is important because the players need to have confidence in the direction of the organization.

Honestly, I think that if Burke kept Feaster on for 14/15, the Flames miss the playoffs with 90 or much less points. You can point to miss steps like Raymond and Bollig to tar Treliving with, but I shudder to think what those miss steps would've been with Feaster in charge at the time.

[Dr. Doom]

Say what you will about Treliving but his defining moment is right around the corner.

New goalies and coach required.

At which time he will be judged heavily.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Dr. Doom

Say what you will about Treliving but his defining moment is right around the corner.

New goalies and coach required.

At which time he will be judged heavily.

That's fair. It's also going into year three of his tenure, I would argue it's halfway to the point for any GM where he can truly be judged. Unless you're obviously terrible like Feaster was, you pretty much have to give a GM five years to execute his vision.

But yeah, if he hires Keenan and goes with Miller/Ortio for next year or something dumb like that, I would say that you can start readying your pitch forks. Luckily for us, I think he's going to do very well on his 'to do' list.