Monahan contract talks: "Not very far along" yet

[CaptainCrunch]

Soooo contract announcement tomorrow?

[Locke]

Treliving will offer him what the Flames are willing pay and Sean will sign it as Brad taps a photo of Curtis Glencross and Jiri Hudler. Both victims of not taking Treliving's final offer, or should we say, an offer that he cant refuse?

[AC]

Originally Posted by Parallex

6x6 wouldn't be fantastic. It'd merely be acceptable.

We'd be giving away to much in his RFA years for not enough on the UFA years for it to be fantastic. The whole idea of going long term on the second contract is that they'll get more money then they would otherwise get on their RFA years while the team get's a break on the UFA years where the team would otherwise have no leverage. I think he will cost a bit more then a straight 6 if we go to 8... but it shouldn't be much more.

Good point, I overlooked the number of UFA years we'd be buying.

Monahan will have 7 years of experience after the 2019-2020 season, and thus UFA eligible if I'm reading it correctly. So 6 years only buys 2 UFA years.

I don't think signing a 3 year deal to keep him at RFA status after is likely, or necessarily smart. So may as well max out the years and bump the AAV for buying more UFA years. 8 years at $6.5 or $7M seems likely in that scenario IMO.

[Swayze11]

Sign him soon or I am sure he will sign an offer sheet!!!!!!!!

[Textcritic]

I hate threads like this:

[NEWS] "There is nothing new to report."

[Lord Carnage]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I hate threads like this:

[NEWS] "There is nothing new to report."

Except we get to hear the agent thumping for his client:
- don't know where they (Flames) are coming from
- time is on the player's side
- they didn't try to get it done sooner
- bridge deal unlikely
- blah, blah...

Don't even know why the article was written... oh, nm, writer has got to get his clicks...

[btimbit]

GM not even on this continent right now, also looking to hire a coach.

Yeah, nothing to see here

[Vinny01]

I think you go 8 years now and 5 years on the next extension

8 years $6.5M. The extra $500k is for the 8 year deal

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by Robbob

You forgot Hiller open to coming back now that Bob is gone

Come on dude, mark this with a "trigger warning", I just had a seizure

[Mr.Coffee]

I think people thinking this could be under 7MM/season are dreaming, but I love to be pleasantly surprised and Treliving has demonstrated excellence in contract negotiations.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

I think people thinking this could be under 7MM/season are dreaming, but I love to be pleasantly surprised and Treliving has demonstrated excellence in contract negotiations.

He's not getting much more than Barkov who is his direct comparable. The absolute most I think it will be is $6.5m x 8 years.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

He's not getting much more than Barkov who is his direct comparable. The absolute most I think it will be is $6.5m x 8 years.

I'd argue Monahans been a little more consistent and better than Barkov. He's had 2 years of 60 point seasons and gets tougher assignments most likely given the Panthers have a little more depth. Also from a negotiation standpoint I would argue Monahan has more leverage with the Flames than Barkov did with the Panthers. That said I would love to be wrong but I bet it's in the 7 or close thereto range.

[Chingas]

I am not worried about anything. One thing that I am certain of is that as soon as Johnny or Monahan sign the other will be close to follow. Our biggest advatage is that those two want to be together. It is a huge advantage to have.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

I'd argue Monahans been a little more consistent and better than Barkov. He's had 2 years of 60 point seasons and gets tougher assignments most likely given the Panthers have a little more depth. Also from a negotiation standpoint I would argue Monahan has more leverage with the Flames than Barkov did with the Panthers. That said I would love to be wrong but I bet it's in the 7 or close thereto range.

Early production favors Monahan for sure but Barkov is a much more well rounded player, his two way game is elite. I think going forward, they will have similar levels of production but until Monahan can carry a line the way Barkov can, I can't see the Flames breaking the bank for him. He's a great young player but if his game is done growing, $7m+ is too much money IMO.

6m x 6 years
6.25m x 7 years
6.5m x 8 years

I think it will come in at one of these three price points (or close to)

His agent has a strong case based off production but BT seems good with contracts so I think he will get him signed to something reasonable. If he gives Monahan $7m, he pretty much has to give Gaudreau $8m. This will be hugely important negotiation for team salary structure going forward, I would be really surprised if it came in over $7m aav.

[Mr.Coffee]

I think those are definitely fair points from a Flames perspective but I gotta think if I'm Monahan I'll just wait until they move up to 7. My thinking is that it isn't unreasonably high and the Flames need him. Especially now that they aren't getting one of the big three this draft.

Basically any of those 3 term scenarios you're presenting I'm thinking you can bump them all by about 3-400k and Calgary will capitulate. What is their alternative, not sign him?

[Mr.Coffee]

Also as to your other point, I bet Gaudreau does indeed get 7.5-8 or so. He's one of the best players in the NHL. Calgary wouldn't have a prayer without Gaudreau.

[CroFlames]

So should we start panicking?

[Mr.Coffee]

Not at all, they'll sign him but people should not be surprised if it's more than they hoped is all.

[Matty81]

Gaudreau and Monahan contracts need to get done yesterday, you look at the offer sheet compensation and if a team wanted to offer him or Gaudreau 7.5-8.5 for a full length contract, it's only going to cost them 2 1sts and a couple mid rounders and long run it would #### Calgary over to have to match and pay the extra 1-1/5 a year.

I'm glad Treliving is getting the experience, but I hope he gets back to work at his actual job soon. These two players should not go into the free agency period without contracts and expose Calgary to that risk.

[Chingas]

Originally Posted by Matty81

Gaudreau and Monahan contracts need to get done yesterday, you look at the offer sheet compensation and if a team wanted to offer him or Gaudreau 7.5-8.5 for a full length contract, it's only going to cost them 2 1sts and a couple mid rounders and long run it would #### Calgary over to have to match and pay the extra 1-1/5 a year.

I'm glad Treliving is getting the experience, but I hope he gets back to work at his actual job soon. These two players should not go into the free agency period without contracts and expose Calgary to that risk.

I recall something along the lines that offer sheet compensation is based on 5 years term. So if someone offer sheets him for 8.5 for 8 years the compensation would be based on a salary of 13.6 million per year. Someone can please correct the exact term reagarding this clause.

But in the end, the compensation for any offer sheet that Johnny could be convinced to sign would result in the max compensation of 4 first round picks.

IMO all of this is moot anyway as he will be signed by the Flames.