Who will be the Flames' new head coach? (3rd edition)

[Alberta_Beef]

Treliving's most recent comments make me think guys like Leaman and Montgomery are certainly under consideration.

[Roof-Daddy]

If it wasn't for the "18 40 foot putts the Flames sank last season" Hartley would have been canned last summer IMO.

[Gaskal]

Who has a really good work ethic? Gotta imagine Treliving will want someone with a similar work ethic as him.

[Mattman]

I don't know anything about coaches. I don't know why I'm in this thread.

[Fire Park '71]

What? Jerry York isn't on the list. York in '21, only if he wears that cool eye patch!

[GullFoss]

I voted for Paul MacLean. I think he did a solid job with a bad Ottawa Senators team - remember the "pesky sens" label. I remember watching that team, and thinking "wow, i wish the flames could play that way". In your face, relentless, high octane, posession oriented hockey. And not with a huge team either or anything - the style dictated the culture.

He probably wouldn't have been fired if not for Melynk (who is probablly the worst owner in sports). And the Senators teams he coached were not very talented. He could probably do a lot better with a team like the flames.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Mr. Robert A. Boughner Jr.

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I think it's pure fantasy to believe that.

If Treliving's list of quality coaches was:

1. Boudreau
2. Hartley
3. Everyone else

There is zero chance that he's going to fire his second choice without having his first choice lined up already. That would be so profoundly idiotic that, if true and if you really believe it, you better start banging the drum and calling for his head repeatedly right now.

Based on what he's done so far and what he's said about this situation and the process, it's more likely Boudreau was a random name on the list at best. I believe he's going after the perfect fit, not the most NHL games.

It could be fantasy, that he was acting on the premise that he will get Boudreau, but failed to get him and now we have no coach and suspicious list of candidates. However, there is something that he's done so far that seems eeringly similiar to me. He resigned Ramo based on the all-but-done trade for Hiller that fell apart in the last moment. So we ended up with a three-goalie monster. Or was that Hiller trade a speculation as well? It could be, but we surely ended up with three goalies and it was not by design. It's suspicious pattern and while it should be acknowledged that it could be mere speculation, such theories do have some ground and shall not be brushed aside altogether.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Pointman

It could be fantasy, that he was acting on the premise that he will get Boudreau, but failed to get him and now we have no coach and suspicious list of candidates. However, there is something that he's done so far that seems eeringly similiar to me. He resigned Ramo based on the all-but-done trade for Hiller that fell apart in the last moment. So we ended up with a three-goalie monster. Or was that Hiller trade a speculation as well? It could be, but we surely ended up with three goalies and it was not by design. It's suspicious pattern and while it should be acknowledged that it could be mere speculation, such theories do have some ground and shall not be brushed aside altogether.

No, such theories shall be.

Honestly, comparing the two situations is non-sensical. They aren't indicative of a pattern, they contradict each other. Call the list of extremely promising coaching prospect suspicious if you want, and say it all in the most highfalutin way you can, but it doesn't lend any credibility. The connection isn't a logical one.

But yeah, I get that if you think Hartley is currently the best coach available at this moment, you would think Treliving screwed up. I'm just confident HE doesn't feel the same way.

Accusing him of firing someone YOU think is the best coach and someone HE thinks is the best coach are two drastically different things that include a different commentary on Treliving's capability as a professional.

Honestly, if you think he fired the guy he thinks is the best coach available right now, I assume you think the Flames are totally f'd. Because if it's true, they are. You're basically calling Treliving the most inept GM in the entire league, period.

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

No, such theories shall be.

Honestly, comparing the two situations is non-sensical. They aren't indicative of a pattern, they contradict each other. Call the list of extremely promising coaching prospect suspicious if you want, and say it all in the most highfalutin way you can, but it doesn't lend any credibility. The connection isn't a logical one.

But yeah, I get that if you think Hartley is currently the best coach available at this moment, you would think Treliving screwed up. I'm just confident HE doesn't feel the same way.

I never said Hartley is the best coach available and I have no problem with the firing itself.

The argument was about people pointing out that based on everything Treliving did so far, it is stupid to assume that he fired Hartley because he was looking to get Boudreau. Because if he did, then, according to said argument, he is looking like an idiot now, which is not how he used to look along the way.

Even though we will never find out whether Treliving did or did not fire Hartley because of Boudreau, it should be noted that IF he did, it's perfectly the same mistake that led us to three-goalies monster. He made a move (re-signed Ramo/fired Hartley) on premise that he will be able to do a follow-up move (trade Hiller/sign Boudreau), the follow-up move fails through, and Treliving ends up in a tough spot (with three goalies/without a coach and strong candidates).

[Sutter_in_law]

Originally Posted by Pointman

I never said Hartley is the best coach available and I have no problem with the firing itself.

The argument was about people pointing out that based on everything Treliving did so far, it is stupid to assume that he fired Hartley because he was looking to get Boudreau. Because if he did, then, according to said argument, he is looking like an idiot now, which is not how he used to look along the way.

Even though we will never find out whether Treliving did or did not fire Hartley because of Boudreau, it should be noted that IF he did, it's perfectly the same mistake that led us to three-goalies monster. He made a move (re-signed Ramo/fired Hartley) on premise that he will be able to do a follow-up move (trade Hiller/sign Boudreau), the follow-up move fails through, and Treliving ends up in a tough spot (with three goalies/without a coach and strong candidates).

Too many "if's" in your argument, you are making a lot of leaps in judgement

[JJ1532]

I think people are smelling a conspiracy that is in fact a coincidence. Why didn't Treliving fire Hartley 24 hours after Boudreau hit the market? Why have there been no rumours that said we were in on him?

Treliving for me strikes me as someone who doesn't make knee jerk reactions, especially not major ones. To suggest he made this knee jerk reaction to Boudreau becoming available is a non starter for me.

[Erick Estrada]

It seemed awfully convenient that shortly after Boudreau hit the market that Hartley was relieved of his duties but it really does look like coincidence seeing the Flames never reportedly contacted Boudreau.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by JJ1532

I think people are smelling a conspiracy that is in fact a coincidence. Why didn't Treliving fire Hartley 24 hours after Boudreau hit the market? Why have there been no rumours that said we were in on him?

Treliving for me strikes me as someone who doesn't make knee jerk reactions, especially not major ones. To suggest he made this knee jerk reaction to Boudreau becoming available is a non starter for me.

I agree completely. The initial optics had it seem like perhaps there was a connection. At the press conference Treliving hammered it wasn't done because of who recently became available and it just took him that long to process everything and pull the trigger. As the days have gone by it looks more and more it was a coincidence and not factor.

The flames have a few STH sessions coming up and I am willing to bet that they will be asked directly about Boudreau.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by Rick M.

It would be nice, though, because we could start teaching the new defensive and offensive systems right away.

Don't we want to have a coach in place by the draft? Not because of the draft itself, but because of the FA season. I would think it would be handy to know what kind style the new guy will play and what kind of players he wants before you go and sign players.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

Don't we want to have a coach in place by the draft? Not because of the draft itself, but because of the FA season. I would think it would be handy to know what kind style the new guy will play and what kind of players he wants before you go and sign players.

That's a good point actually.

Funny that the goalender/coach thing could be a chicken or the egg issue this summer.

Won't coach because I don't know the goaltending.
Won't sign to be goalie because I don't know the coach.

Now if we could find a playing goaltender coach we'd be set!

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by transplant99

He also owns and GM's the Wheaties....i really think he is pretty comfortable doing what he's doing. Though you never know if the allure of trying to coach in the best league in the world (nevermind the $$ he would be guaranteed as well) isn't enough to entice him.

Interesting name though.

Last time we brought in someone that owned a whl franchise that didn't work out well.

Hope we go with someone with pro experience. Jump from teaching boys to leading men is too much imho.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by Bingo

That's a good point actually.

Funny that the goalender/coach thing could be a chicken or the egg issue this summer.

Won't coach because I don't know the goaltending.
Won't sign to be goalie because I don't know the coach.

Now if we could find a playing goaltender coach we'd be set!

I think this is why you pretty much want to wrap this up when the SCF finishes. I think you want to go into trading/free agency with your group set, knowing what you are looking for.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

Last time we brought in someone that owned a whl franchise that didn't work out well.

Hope we go with someone with pro experience. Jump from teaching boys to leading men is too much imho.

Not to distract from your point, but B. Sutter had just finished his second year coaching in the NHL when he was hired by the Flames. He did not jump from teaching boys to leading men.

[Frank MetaMusil]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Not to distract from your point, but B. Sutter had just finished his second year coaching in the NHL when he was hired by the Flames. He did not jump from teaching boys to leading men.

The Devils were a veteran team for sure.

Madden, Zubrus, Brodeur, Langenbrunner, Elias, Pandolfo, Salvador, Mottau, Brylin, etc. were all over age 30 and he couldn't get past round 1.

I'd say it's an apt description honestly.