Justin Trudeau says marijuana should be legalized

[CampbellsTransgressions]

Based on the available data, why has legalization caused an increase in usage among youths? What impact has legalization had on youth gang participation, youth dropout rates, youth incarceration? If the consequences have been negative, is there anything more that can be done to keep the substance legal for adults while addressing youth concerns?

Your argument is very weak. Seems a little defeatist if anything.

[peter12]

Moving the goal-posts as always.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by CampbellsTransgressions

Based on the available data, why has legalization caused and increase in usage among youths? What impact has legalization had on youth gang participation, youth dropout rwtes ,youth incarceration?

Your argument is very weak.

I don't have a horse in this race as the government is going to do what it wants to do but anyone that thinks decriminaluzation won't lead to increased use by youths clearly has thei head in the sand and has forgot what it was like when they were young.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by CampbellsTransgressions

Based on the available data, why has legalization caused an increase in usage among youths? What impact has legalization had on youth gang participation, youth dropout rates, youth incarceration? If the consequences have been negative, is there anything more that can be done to keep the substance legal for adults while addressing youth concerns?

Your argument is very weak. Seems a little defeatist if anything.

It is an exceptionally strong argument actually, and anything but defeatist. People opposing legalization - in principle - are now a very small group.

But as Erick said, the government will do as the government wants.

[CampbellsTransgressions]

I am young and I was young not very long ago. I first saw weed in grade 7. I didn't have my first drink until I was in grade 10.

I'm more interested in facts not anecdotes.

[polak]

What?

You guys must have some weird connections cause everyone I know had a much easier time getting weed than they did smokes or booze unless they had a willing older sibling or stole them.

Dealers sell to anyone, convenience stores will not sell to kids. How is this hard to understand. That graph is about as perfect of an illustration that correlation does not equal causation.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by CampbellsTransgressions

I am young and I was young not very long ago. I first saw weed in grade 7. I didn't have my first drink until I was in grade 10.

I'm more interested in facts not anecdotes.

But you seem really pressed to share anecdotes, instead of facts.

[CampbellsTransgressions]

All I care to conclude with is that if you prefer to live in a world where the bad decisions of a likely badly parented 14 year old impact the freedoms of an adult then so be it. I would rather not.

How about that for anecdotes?

Originally Posted by peter12

But you seem really pressed to share anecdotes, instead of facts.

Refuting the validity of using anecdotes by providing my own contradictory anecdote. Very straightforward. Arguments actually need support in my world.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by polak

What?

You guys must have some weird connections cause everyone I know had a much easier time getting weed than they did smokes or booze unless they had a willing older sibling or stole them.

Dealers sell to anzyone, convenience stores will not sell to kids. How is this hard to understand. That graph is about as perfect of an illustration that correlation does not equal causation.

Actually they won't. Not the ones that are good at staying out of prison. It's a distribution network where typically one or two friends get the connection and supply to his friends. If your kid is smoking pot he's probably getting supplied by one of his friends not the actual dealers that have the big supplies.

[polak]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Actually they won't. Not the ones that are good at staying out of prison. It's a distribution network where typically one or two friends get the connection and supply to his friends. If your kid is smoking pot he's probably getting supplied by one of his friends not the actual dealers that have the big supplies.

lol have you ever bought weed?

You get introduced and then you buy weed.

Originally Posted by Dion

http://media.thedenverchannel.com/do...418.1463019098

Annual growth rate over the 9 years and over the 1 year is 6%. So it's continued to grow at roughly the same pace. The positive effects of Legalization hasn't had time to eliminate the black market.

[peter12]

Or 100%, if you can do math.

[CampbellsTransgressions]

Now that I've gone off the deep end: why is weed different to alcohol? Should we also be criminalizing alcohol in order to lower youth consumption?

I would just prefer we take a more in depth look at the issue before passing legalization off as a failure.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by peter12

Obviously it would remove even more of the stigma surrounding the drug.

Originally Posted by peter12

As if. It's not crystal meth. The social stigma is practically negligible at this point.

A+ trolling job.

[DiracSpike]

I'm not sure how anyone can argue that legalization won't result in more widespread use, youths included. I wouldn't drink if alcohol was illegal.

[CampbellsTransgressions]

I don't know how anyone can argue anything that I disagree with.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

A+ trolling job.

Sorry, I should have discriminated between legal stigma - or fear of penalty - and social stigma.

[polak]

Originally Posted by peter12

Or 100%, if you can do math.

100% annual growth would mean it doubled every year....

[peter12]

Originally Posted by polak

100% annual growth would mean it doubled every year....

No matter which way you cut it, it is a substantial increase.

[DiracSpike]

Just seems like a point you'd have to concede, obviously normalizing marijuana consumption results in increased use. Doesn't mean it shouldn't be done but it should be something that gets consideration.

A certain subset of our population will smoke up no matter what, as a result it's most likely the most responsible financial move for our government to pivot from spending money on enforcement to collecting money from taxes. Probably the right move but there is some collateral damage that weed buffs seem to want to deflect at all costs.

[IliketoPuck]

Can anyone comment on if there is a definitive connection between marijuana use and development of severe psychosis in your early twenties?

There is a reasonable amount of literature on it, but I am far from a medical expert, so I really don't know. http://medicalmarijuana.procon.org/v...stionID=000220

Personal anecdotal evidence: Two people very close to me developed serious mental illnesses in their early twenties. Both were frequent (multiple times daily) smokers, and both now have mental health issues that will be lifelong ordeals.

Obviously factors like family medical history, etc. should be considered too.