2015/2016 Trade Speculation and Rumors v2

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

If you were to offer him a 32 year deal worth 3.25 million a year as an offer sheet the compensation would be a single 2nd round pick next year. He might not be worth that type of money...but people seem to be willing to retain 1.5 to 2 million in salary to acquire a 2nd round pick. So if you spend that extra money can you save having to trade one that you already have versus going the traditional trade route.

We are signing the next Jacques Plante.

[burnitdown]

Originally Posted by Poe969

If they go with MAF then it'll be a waste to have Murray on the bench and if they go with Murray, MAF will want out. They don't have to make a trade but I think they'd be crazy not to.

Certainly didn't seem like it was a waste to have Murray on the bench this playoffs, when Fleury got hurt. He turned out to be the difference between an early round exit and a deep playoff run. Having that insurance is likely worth a lot more than a couple 2nd round picks (or similar package).

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Poe969

If they go with MAF then it'll be a waste to have Murray on the bench and if they go with Murray, MAF will want out. They don't have to make a trade but I think they'd be crazy not to.

No doubt Murray has looked good, no he's looked great but he's still a young goalie and young goalies can be unpredictable. Maybe they want another year to look at him before making a decision to trade MAF.

[Bourque's Twin]

MAF is as good as gone in my opinion. I hope the Flames don't target him as there are a lot of other good goalies with smaller price tags.

[mdubz]

Originally Posted by Bourque's Twin

MAF is as good as gone in my opinion. I hope the Flames don't target him as there are a lot of other good goalies with smaller price tags.

You'd prefer Reimer over a proven starter with good stats?

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by mdubz

You'd prefer Reimer over a proven starter with good stats?

MAF has a cap hit of 5.75 for another 3 seasons and has been dogged by concussion issues this season.

I'd take Reimer over him easily. Even if he's not as proven he won't be as costly, his contract will be less and he's a free asset to acquire if you sign him.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

MAF has a cap hit of 5.75 for another 3 seasons and has been dogged by concussion issues this season.

I'd take Reimer over him easily. Even if he's not as proven he won't be as costly, his contract will be less and he's a free asset to acquire if you sign him.

I'd still take MAF

[Wolfman]

If the Flames sign Reimer I'm going to be very rattled!!!! If he was a starter he would still be in Toronto...but he's not. He's where he belongs as a backup.

[Badgers Nose]

Flames have to get results next year. At $4m vs $5.75 they would be crazy to take Reimer over MAF.

[dino7c]

MAF was a top 5 goalie this past season before the injury, he basically kept the Pens afloat until they got their #### together

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by mdubz

You'd prefer Reimer over a proven starter with good stats?

It's closer than it would seem.

Reimer is three years younger and there would be no cost of acquisition.

Last four seasons:

Fleury: GP: 219 Sv%: .918
Reimer: GP: 144 Sv%: .916

So Fleury has the edge because he has proven to be able to handle the load of being a starting goalie but he has also played on much better teams.

Factor in the age and acquisition cost though you may be better off with Reimer. Also the Maple Leafs have give up more 5 v 5 scoring chances than any other team over the last 4 seasons (1549! more scoring chances against than the Penguins), when you consider that Reimer is putting up pretty elite numbers.

Personally unless we are getting Fleury on the cheap due to the Pens wanting to run with Murray I really don't want him. If we need to spend assets I would rather we look at Bishop, Elliot, or one of the younger goalie options.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

It's closer than it would seem.

Reimer is three years younger and there would be no cost of acquisition.

Last four seasons:

Fleury: GP: 219 Sv%: .918
Reimer: GP: 144 Sv%: .916

So Fleury has the edge because he has proven to be able to handle the load of being a starting goalie but he has also played on much better teams.

When you factor in the age and acquistion cost though you may be better off with Reimer.

Personally unless we are getting Fleury on the cheap due to the Pens wanting to run with Murray I really don't want him. If we need to spend assets I would rather we look at Bishop or Elliot.

Bishop isn't going anywhere IMO

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

It's closer than it would seem.

Reimer is three years younger and there would be no cost of acquisition.

Last four seasons:

Fleury: GP: 219 Sv%: .918
Reimer: GP: 144 Sv%: .916

So Fleury has the edge because he has proven to be able to handle the load of being a starting goalie but he has also played on much better teams.

When you factor in the age and acquistion cost though you may be better off with Reimer.

Personally unless we are getting Fleury on the cheap due to the Pens wanting to run with Murray I really don't want him. If we need to spend assets I would rather we look at Bishop or Elliot.

I think MAF can be had at a bargain acquisition cost. Pens have to move him as they have their next-gen goalie (has been developed as such) and could use the cap space to maximize the roster for the next 2-3 years. Window is closing for them.

[Roof-Daddy]

If the Wings don't get Mrazek under contract in time I would send him an offer sheet.

$5.4 million AAV for 5 years.

1st and 3rd round pick in 2017 if the Wings don't match, and you have to think it'd be tough for them to match that if they're having trouble unloading Howard.

That would leave them with $10.7 million of their cap going towards goaltening, plus the $7.5 they're stuck with on Datsyuk.

[bigrangy]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

If the Wings don't get Mrazek under contract in time I would send him an offer sheet.

$5.4 million AAV for 5 years.

1st and 3rd round pick in 2017 if the Wings don't match, and you have to think it'd be tough for them to match that if they're having trouble unloading Howard.

That would leave them with $10.7 million of their cap going towards goaltening, plus the $7.5 they're stuck with on Datsyuk.

That'd be a gamble, but I think it could pay off quite handsomely. I think Detroit would be doing whatever they can to open up space though.

Would burn the boats as well, hopefully the Flames can bounce back next year. Barring a lottery win, that would be astounding value to get the player. the contract is a little pricey, but teams should be reserving 6-7 million for their goaltenders anyways, imo.

[Roof-Daddy]

The one thing I'm confident of is that Treliving is kicking tires on the younger options of all these goalie tandems. Allen, Vasilevskiy, Mrazek, Pickard, Murray. You never know when one might slip through the cracks, and if it happens I'm sure BT will be there to scoop him up.

If you can't swing the "Dougie Hamilton" miracle trade for a younger goalie then I'm OK with CHEAPLY acquiring the older one of those tandems....and I mean cheaply. If the price is too steep just go get Reimer via UFA.

Don;t want to be expending valuable futures for a goalie that will 35+ when this team is right in it's sweet spot.

[SofaProfessor]

Originally Posted by Wolfman

If the Flames sign Reimer I'm going to be very rattled!!!! If he was a starter he would still be in Toronto...but he's not. He's where he belongs as a backup.

If Devan Dubnyk was a starter he'd still be in Edmonton!

See what I did there? It's hard to judge goalies stuck behind terrible teams. Yes, Dubnyk connected with a new goalie coach and had a rebirth of sorts but the fact is he was a Vezina nominated NHL goaltender just one season removed from playing for the Oilers. He clearly had that potential all along and the Oilers were unable to help him discover that.

All that said... I'd rather see someone else than Reimer but I won't be rattled if they do sign him because he will likely have the lowest acquisition cost.

[bigrangy]

Mocked up a roster next season with an offer sheet to Mrazek. Looks actually pretty good, though you'd have to rely on one of the cheap ELC guys to fill the top line RW role, or else play the FA there and stick Bennett with some rookies.

The big problem will be what do you do at the end of the year when Bennett wants 5+, Ferland wants 2, and you need to find 2 more quality bottom pairing D-men on the cheap.

[SuperMatt18]

My personal best case scenario would be to sign Reimer ($2 years - $7million total) and trade for one of Allen, Vasilevskiy, Mrazek, Pickard, or Murray.

Then you have a veteran with a youngster in a tandem for the next year at least.

Potentially Reimer gets taken in the expansion draft and then you go into the 17/18 season with a tandem of one of the goalies above and Gillies.

If not you have Reimer as a veteran until the end of Gillies ELC and that is when you can transition Gillies into the NHL in a tandem with one of the other young goalies.

Personally don't really trust Ortio as the backup if we are going with another young goalie like Vasilevskiy or Pickard - he just hasn't proven that he can show up ready for the NHL season and tends to start slow.

[Lanny_McDonald]

No one is offer sheeting a goaltender. Get serious people. Burke hates offer sheets and would not approve of putting one out to an unproven goaltender. They would rather just make a hockey trade and move on.