Justin Trudeau says marijuana should be legalized

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

I bet if you smoked some weed you'd be calmer...

You quoted me saying "i don't know" then proceeded to say that you thought (all?) driving while high should be outlawed. Read to me like you were disagreeing with something.

Guess you read it wrong then.

[peter12]

A lot going on here, but I think that the normalization of pot use - especially among the young - will be an extremely terrible side effect of marijuana legalization. I personally feel that decriminalization is what the debate should centre upon.

http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/doi/....2016.15070878

Adolescents who regularly use marijuana may be at heightened risk of developing subclinical and clinical psychotic symptoms. However, this association could be explained by reverse causation or other factors. To address these limitations, the current study examined whether adolescents who engage in regular marijuana use exhibit a systematic increase in subclinical psychotic symptoms that persists during periods of sustained abstinence.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by peter12

A lot going on here, but I think that the normalization of pot use - especially among the young - will be an extremely terrible side effect of marijuana legalization. I personally feel that decriminalization is what the debate should centre upon.

http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/doi/....2016.15070878

Decriminalization does a worse job of keeping it out of the hands of youth than full-legalization and regulation.

It's essentially the same as decriminalized now, and kids get it just fine. All it will do is open up more of a demand market while keeping the suppliers as unregulated criminals with no care about who they sell to or what they sell. At least if it's legal you can put an age limit on it, monitor the sales people and regulate the quality.

Decriminalization is the worst option of any we have now.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by peter12

A lot going on here, but I think that the normalization of pot use - especially among the young - will be an extremely terrible side effect of marijuana legalization. I personally feel that decriminalization is what the debate should centre upon.

http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/doi/....2016.15070878

Why would legalization normalize pot use among the young any more than it already has been?

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Guess you read it wrong then.

It's gonna take more weed than I thought!

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

It's gonna take more weed than I thought!

i don't follow

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Interesting article on driving while high. I'll be honest part of the reason I'm posting, other than it is relevant, is that it follows exactly what I've been preaching for years regarding driving while high.

It's the same problem with drug testing in the workplace. O&G companies test for THC in the system, which means someone who hasn't smoked pot for weeks before he goes out to the field get flagged for non-compliance. Meanwhile, guys who get absolutely smashed on rye every day of their break up to and including the day before they step on a lease are A-Okay. It's complete bullsh*t, but for reasons which I've never understood it holds up in a court of law.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

i don't follow

To get you to mellow out, man.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

To get you to mellow out, man.

ah sorry man, I didn't mean to Flip out.

[rubecube]

Ok, ok, we get it.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Interesting article on driving while high. I'll be honest part of the reason I'm posting, other than it is relevant, is that it follows exactly what I've been preaching for years regarding driving while high.

Well we don't want to let facts get in the way of our pre-conceived notion about marijuana.

So this will effectively be ignored for another 10 years until we have enough of a generational shift in North America that the baby boomers and others who supported the war on drugs are gone, and the voting class consists of people who are capable of thinking outside of the box that has been presented to them by powerful lobbyists and government organizations.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Why would legalization normalize pot use among the young any more than it already has been?

Obviously it would remove even more of the stigma surrounding the drug.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by peter12

Obviously it would remove even more of the stigma surrounding the drug.

It'd become the news' favourite buzzword. Akin to the 'Benghazi' and 'Climate Change' of Fox News.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by peter12

Obviously it would remove even more of the stigma surrounding the drug.

Does it have a stigma around young people today? Any more than alcohol does?

[peter12]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Does it have a stigma around young people today? Any more than alcohol does?

Well, with more and more scientific evidence pointing to very adverse among the young, it certainly deserves a much worse reputation than it currently has. Legalization makes it seem even more harmless, even medicinal, as the lie goes.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Does it have a stigma around young people today? Any more than alcohol does?

This album came out 17 years ago:



It is a sequel to an album released in 1992 simply titled The Chronic

It reached #2 in Canada.

Here is notable Canadian Seth Rogen openly discussing marijuana on the David Letterman show 4 years ago:

https://youtu.be/i8hxB87ULfk

'Stigma' sounds like something that would be coming out of the mouth of a 60 year old.

[peter12]

Great standard bearers for the movement, Flash.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by peter12

Well, with more and more scientific evidence pointing to very adverse among the young, it certainly deserves a much worse reputation than it currently has. Legalization makes it seem even more harmless, even medicinal, as the lie goes.

Clearly pot is not harmless, and the people who claim it's harmless are idiots. But if it's legalized, it would still be a controlled substance, like alcohol. The issue is why it should be treated more severely than alcohol.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Clearly pot is not harmless, and the people who claim it's harmless are idiots. But if it's legalized, it would still be a controlled substance, like alcohol. The issue is why it should be treated more severely than alcohol.

Black markets find a way.

[FlamesAddiction]

Maybe stigma is the wrong word, but it is still something a lot of people are in the closet about. I know one of the principles at the firm I work at uses marijuana, but you will never hear him mention it.

As long as it is technically illegal, having open and honest discussions about it will be difficult.