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[Bingo]

Bob McKenzie interview with Vancouver TSN

http://www.tsn.ca/radio/vancouver-10...aheim-1.487132

Flames coach and Travis Green interest at 7:41

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by ricosuave

Why Darryl Sutter is a perfect fit...

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/d...-fit/?shawct=1

by Damian Cox. Nuff said.

[Gaskal]

The only thing Cox has going is that it's closer to home. Everything else..... whiff.

[gilligans_off]

“You can’t approach things, ‘This worked in the past, all we have to do is go back and do it this way again and we’ll recapture it."

Good point from the Darryl Sutter write up by Kings general manager Dean Lombardi.

[dustygoon]

I know LA had the puck a lot (doughty doesn't hurt). But i don't recall Sutter's coached flames as being a possession team. More of a chip and chase. Sutter adapted to have his LA team play with the puck, but i have to think John Stevens had something to do with that. Hiring Sutter doesn't necessarily get you a possession strategy.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Sutter is a perfect fit IMO. Proven winner, good possession teams, commanding and intimidating presence, black and blue hockey.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Sutter is a perfect fit IMO. Proven winner, good possession teams, commanding and intimidating presence, black and blue hockey.

But you're following up an older task master with an older task master ... not sure that's a great idea

and as others have said, I'm not sure he's the guy driving possession.

I do hope they end up with a system similar to LA or now Ottawa. Two guys with experience bouncing ideas and working things through.

As I've said before, I think Hartley's biggest failure was a lack of depth on his bench pushing him or mixing up strategies.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.

Just a general question to the board: are there any european coaches that have moved to the NHL successfully? Off the top of my head, I can't name one.

No. I believe Alpo Suhonen is still I think the only guy to even get the chance though, so it's not like we know how likely they would be to succeed. (There was never a chance Suhonen would have succeeded. He's just not a good coach.)

I'm guessing the larger ice results in vastly different strategies, making it hard to just bring in a coach and his "system."

I don't think that would be much of an issue. After all, Euro coaches have coached in international tournaments on NA sized ice without any noticable problems. I'm sure the good ones would transition just fine if they ever got the chance.

I can think of several others reasons why we don't see Euro coaches in the NHL.

- There are more than enough coaches in North America. There's no real need to go looking for them abroad. (In fact most top countries are pretty much self-sufficient when it comes to head coaches, Russia being the notable exception.)
- Because there are no succesful precedents, a European head coach would be seen as a risky hire. And we know a failed coaching hire can easily get a GM fired.
- Coaching jobs have a lot to do with who you're connected with. Very often a GM will go with a coach he already knows from somewhere. The European coaches don't have those connections, and their styles are less known. That makes them hard sells for NHL teams.
- Older Europeans often don't speak English so good.


Hockey however is more international than ever, and it seems like there's very little prejudice left towards Europeans anymore. My guess is we'll see some European born coaches within the next 20 years.

[Bingo]

Michael Russo of the Star Tribune reports on Tuesday afternoon that the Ducks have requested permission to speak to former Wild head coach Mike Yeo, who was dismissed by Minnesota in February of the 2015-16 season.

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Originally Posted by dustygoon

I know LA had the puck a lot (doughty doesn't hurt). But i don't recall Sutter's coached flames as being a possession team. More of a chip and chase. Sutter adapted to have his LA team play with the puck, but i have to think John Stevens had something to do with that. Hiring Sutter doesn't necessarily get you a possession strategy.

I don't really understand how all the possession stats come about, but I recall the 04 Flames being a team that had the puck all the time, just grinding and cycling away in the opposition end. How long was "the shift" again in the OT game in the finals? Wasn't it like 2 minutes long?

When I watch the Kings in recent years, they just look like Darryl's (coach) Flames teams but with way more talent.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Bingo

But you're following up an older task master with an older task master ... not sure that's a great idea

and as others have said, I'm not sure he's the guy driving possession.

I do hope they end up with a system similar to LA or now Ottawa. Two guys with experience bouncing ideas and working things through.

As I've said before, I think Hartley's biggest failure was a lack of depth on his bench pushing him or mixing up strategies.

I don't think they're necessarily looking to go away from taskmaster. I think a different voice who operates differently may be fine. I also think Sutter just has more of a presence than Hartley and that could be important. So the team may have tuned Hartley out but I think if Sutter comes in he commands instant respect and fear, something I don't think Hartley necessarily had after this year. Sutter also knows when to lay off, when to praise, when to rest players.

I'm just not as convinced that they have to get an anti taskmaster. I think it's more about presence, respect, fear. I think it's more about black and blue vs playing pansy defense in our own zone. I think it's more about possession and player usage. I just think Sutter is one of the best out there.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Michael Russo of the Star Tribune reports on Tuesday afternoon that the Ducks have requested permission to speak to former Wild head coach Mike Yeo, who was dismissed by Minnesota in February of the 2015-16 season.

I don't get the allure of this guy as he got average results from a team that's supposedly trying to win a cup. The last two seasons the team had stretches of terrible play with players being critical of his coaching.

[Toonage]

Someone had mentioned or alluded to a good cop / bad cop dynamic for the coaches. Sutter and maybe one of the younger hires they are looking at from the AHL or elsewhere would constitute 2/3 of that team they want behind the bench. The older guy with the presence and knowledge and the younger one to relate and bridge the gap.

[DuffMan]

What's Ted Nolan doing these days?

[Table 5]

Originally Posted by Itse

No. I believe Alpo Suhonen is still I think the only guy to even get the chance though, so it's not like we know how likely they would be to succeed. (There was never a chance Suhonen would have succeeded. He's just not a good coach.)

Ivan Hlinka coached the Penguins for a little over a season as well. He did get the team to the Conference finals, but that was also the year Mario came back.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.

I'm guessing the larger ice results in vastly different strategies, making it hard to just bring in a coach and his "system."

I just want to point out that some common strategies used in NHL were imported by guys like Scotty Bowman from Europe. But I do think a year in the AHL would be a smart move for an import coach.

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Re. Euro coaches, the Flames had Slava Lener as an assistant to Dave King

[JohnnyT]

Am I the only one that kinda loves the radio silence from the Flames? I truly believe we will only here speculation from true insiders (Bobby Mac, Freidman) until one day we get a notification on our phones of "The Flames have hired _________ as their next head coach."

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

But I do think a year in the AHL would be a smart move for an import coach.

That would help... but you'd still run into the same recruitment problems for the AHL that you would for the NHL. Namely, that you'll be picking not from the total pool of coaches but from the pool of coaches who are fluently bilingual. Plus you'd need to first have specific recruiters/coaching scouts who are intimately familiar with the leagues and then (assuming you found a great candidate) you'd need to convince some middle aged man to uproot his family and move to a foreign country so that he can ride a bus between Scranton and Utica for probably as much as he'd make back home.

Seems like more trouble then it's worth for all parties concerned.

I don't think we see any European coaches until we see more European GM's.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by JohnnyT

Am I the only one that kinda loves the radio silence from the Flames? I truly believe we will only here speculation from true insiders (Bobby Mac, Freidman) until one day we get a notification on our phones of "The Flames have hired _________ as their next head coach."

As long as Treliving is in Europe, I doubt there's anything much happening on the coaching front at all. Some phones calls. Maybe arranging some interviews. The Flames brass bandying names around. But nothing close to a decision being made for a couple weeks.