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Flames Draft Watcher · 05-09-2016, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by burnitdown

Just looked it up and he apparently in the same interview, he says they've already received 4-5 calls about their pick and they're interested in trading down. I'm guessing by adding Brown into the conversation, he's putting pressure on people drafting a little later that are hoping he might slip to them.

Yeah it sounded like they actively want to trade down. A few interesting things from that interview

-He named Tkachuk, Dubois and Brown specifically
-Also said there was 3-4 defensemen that will be top 4 dmen
-Also said great players in that 4-9 range. Sounds like that's about as far as they'd be comfortable moving down to. So if they favour Tkachuk, Dubois, Brown and 3 defensemen that might be the Oilers list in the 4-9 range. Didn't sound like Chiarelli sees the same ledges as the Flames scouts/GM does.

Sounds like there's a great opportunity to move up if the Flames want to. We definitely have the picks and prospects to make an enticing offer. Strange that an Oilers GM interview would have me excited but it has. I think we're in the perfect spot to move up to #4. The Oilers have a few different needs (powerforwards, top 3 d-men) so they can afford to move down in that area and still get one. Whereas for us it just seems like Tkachuk/Dubois fit both our immediate and long term needs so perfectly compared to the other available options.

http://www.630ched.com/oilers-now/

Surprised Benning and Chia are so candid. But I'm loving this trade up idea. Lets do it Tre!

CliffFletcher · 05-09-2016, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Yeah it sounded like they actively want to trade down. A few interesting things from that interview

-He named Tkachuk, Dubois and Brown specifically
-Also said there was 3-4 defensemen that will be top 4 dmen
-Also said great players in that 4-9 range. Sounds like that's about as far as they'd be comfortable moving down to. So if they favour Tkachuk, Dubois, Brown and 3 defensemen that might be the Oilers list in the 4-9 range. Didn't sound like Chiarelli sees the same ledges as the Flames scouts/GM does.

Sounds like there's a great opportunity to move up if the Flames want to. We definitely have the picks and prospects to make an enticing offer. Strange that an Oilers GM interview would have me excited but it has. I think we're in the perfect spot to move up to #4. The Oilers have a few different needs (powerforwards, top 3 d-men) so they can afford to move down in that area and still get one. Whereas for us it just seems like Tkachuk/Dubois fit both our immediate and long term needs so perfectly compared to the other available options.

http://www.630ched.com/oilers-now/

Surprised Benning and Chia are so candid. But I'm loving this trade up idea. Lets do it Tre!

So what would it take for the Flames to move up from 6th to 4th? Wotherspoon and a 3rd?

dammage79 · 05-09-2016, 03:42 PM

Great, more endless talk about Tkachuk and Dubois. Draft fun=ended. See y'all in two months.

sureLoss · 05-09-2016, 03:45 PM

Oilers still need a 2nd rounder pick to compensate the Bruins for hiring Chiarelli... Probably don't want to give up their own (32nd OA).. Flames will have 2 or 3 2nd round picks....

Just saying.

GranteedEV · 05-09-2016, 03:45 PM

To Edmonton
#6OA
#27OA
Wotherspoon

To Columbus
#4 OA
#35 OA
#53 OA
Poirier

To Calgary
#3OA Jesse Puljujarvi

TheScorpion · 05-09-2016, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by GranteedEV

To Edmonton
#6OA
#27OA
Wotherspoon

To Columbus
#4 OA
#35 OA
#53 OA
Poirier

To Calgary
#3OA Jesse Puljujarvi

That's horrendous for the Oilers.

GranteedEV · 05-09-2016, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by TheScorpion

That's horrendous for the Oilers.

So was #16 OA for Griffin Reinhart

sureLoss · 05-09-2016, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by granteedev

so was #16 oa and #33 oa for griffin reinhart

fyp

Flames Draft Watcher · 05-09-2016, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

So what would it take for the Flames to move up from 6th to 4th? Wotherspoon and a 3rd?

That might do it. Might take as little as a 2nd rounder. We certainly have the prospects/picks to easily do it.

ignite09 · 05-09-2016, 04:35 PM

Value wise moving up to four might be doable, but I bet the fear of losing that trade to a rival will keep Edmonton from even considering it.

Poe969 · 05-09-2016, 04:40 PM

Id do 6 OA + a 2nd for 4 OA then 4 OA + whatever the bj's want for #3 OA.

I still think the Flames get Puljujarvi.

yourbestfriend · 05-09-2016, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Poe969

Id do 6 OA + a 2nd for 4 OA then 4 OA + whatever the bj's want for #3 OA.

I still think the Flames get Puljujarvi.

As much as i'd like to get puljujarvi, the move from 6 to 3 is gonna cost us a lot more than most fans will be willing to give up

Edit: Anyone know the last time a team traded down their top10 pick at the draft?

Flames Draft Watcher · 05-09-2016, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Poe969

Id do 6 OA + a 2nd for 4 OA then 4 OA + whatever the bj's want for #3 OA.

I still think the Flames get Puljujarvi.

Hmmm I wonder if we could put together an appealing enough proposal. Just spitballing here but maybe:

1st rounder + Jankowski + Andersson + two 2nds FOR #3

Is that close? Too little? Too much? I think CBJ would have to be really high on Janko/Andersson for that to work.

Flames Draft Watcher · 05-09-2016, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ignite09

Value wise moving up to four might be doable, but I bet the fear of losing that trade to a rival will keep Edmonton from even considering it.

I don't really think that is how Chiarelli would be looking at it. At their scouting meetings they decide how close the grouping of players they have in that 4-9 range. If they are close enough then they talk over hypothetical trade down scenarios.

Lets say they the Oilers have Tkachuk 4th (they seem quite high on him). Chia asks his scouts, "Okay boys, would you rather have Tkachuk, or we could take our top defensemen, Brown or whoever's left of Tkachuk/Dubois at #6 and pick up a high 2nd in addition". Sounds like from that interview they've already talked out a lot of these hypotheticals and probably have a good idea what they'd want to trade down.

A competant and confident GM can't be scared to make trades for fear of losing them. That will lead to paralysis and indecision. You make your valuation and decide what you'd want to move down and then be confident in that decision making process. If Chiarelli was scared to lose a trade I don't think he would've traded Seguin.

yourbestfriend · 05-09-2016, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Hmmm I wonder if we could put together an appealing enough proposal. Just spitballing here but maybe:

1st rounder + Jankowski + Andersson + two 2nds FOR #3

Is that close? Too little? Too much? I think CBJ would have to be really high on Janko/Andersson for that to work.

way too much

Flames Draft Watcher · 05-09-2016, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by yourbestfriend

way too much

I think thats the type of offer they'd be demanding.

If the Flames had #3 what would you ask for from CBJ to move out of the top #3? I'd be asking for a king's ransom.

Poe969 · 05-09-2016, 05:02 PM

I'd make that deal. The flames have a few d in the system but they dot have anyone like Puljujarvi on the team or in the system. Quality over quantity.

yourbestfriend · 05-09-2016, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

I think thats the type of offer they'd be demanding.

If the Flames had #3 what would you ask for from CBJ to move out of the top #3? I'd be asking for a king's ransom.

I completely agree with you. We would have to offer something pretty over the top for cbj to trade away that pick.

Nylander (he will realistically be available at #6)
Jankowski
Andersson
Max Jones (#35 based on craigs list)
Sam Steel (#58 based on craigs list, not sure where the florida pick is gonna be at)

for
Puljujarvi

Flames management would have to be hella high on puljujarvi to offer that kinda package. I personally would not

KootenayFlamesFan · 05-09-2016, 05:13 PM

We still have no idea what kind of pro Janko will turn into. Andersson looks like a great prospect. And the 6th pick along with two 2nd rounders?

Columbus may ask for that but I wouldn't do it.

Flames Draft Watcher · 05-09-2016, 05:19 PM

And I think that's why we almost never see anybody trade out of the top 3. In order to mitigate the risk of potentially losing out on a franchise player you need to demand like 4-5 high level assets in return.

We've heard Feaster offered #6, #22 and #28 for MacKinnon and was turned down. That's 3 pretty good assets. That's why I think 4-5 strong assets are required to the team picking top 3 to actually seriously consider moving out of the elite grouping. In retrospect I'm glad we didn't pay that much to move up as I'm not sure MacKinnon is really ahead of Monahan at this point.

I mean you could offer less assets if the assets are premium. I'm sure CBJ would do it for #6 + Monahan or Bennett but I'd imagine that's a non starter for us.

Overall its probably not realistic to move up. I don't think any of the teams lucky enough to win a top 3 pick are looking to move down.