I would be thrilled as well. For me I think Nylander and Bastian are the main power on that line and they make McLeod look much better than he is. Interesting that I see a lot of OHL and especially the Knights and dammage79 seems to think Tkatchuk is what McLeod actually is, the passenger that is made to look good by his linemates. Tkatchuk is the real deal, he can thrive without Marner and Dvorak. McLeod looks absolutely lost without Nylander and Bastian.
I suppose I deserve to be called out a bit because I like a player more than others in this draft. Fair enough. But there's other people here who actually go and watch the games too who think otherwise from what you are postulating.
And If Bastien is the more dominant player on that line why ranked so low?
I suppose I deserve to be called out a bit because I like a player more than others in this draft. Fair enough. But there's other people here who actually go and watch the games too who think otherwise from what you are postulating.
And If Bastien is the more dominant player on that line why ranked so low?
It is simply my opinion from what I have seen. No different really then your opinion of Tkatchuk which is fine, everyone sees it different.
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I suppose I deserve to be called out a bit because I like a player more than others in this draft. Fair enough. But there's other people here who actually go and watch the games too who think otherwise from what you are postulating.
And If Bastien is the more dominant player on that line why ranked so low?
Sometimes scouts get it wrong. Everyone thought Couturier was all that and then some. It turned out his linemate was the one that was the good one (Ondrej Palat). Same thing with Falloon and Ray Whitney.
Teams/scouts also tend to be leery of players that seem to come out of nowhere in their draft year. That is why Mangiapane wasn't drafted, although his size played a part there. Bastian only had 29 points last year and added 30 to that this year.
Not saying that he's going to be the better player, but there are some reasons why he's rated a bit lower than one would expect for a player of his profile.
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I think we are really starting to see the importance of the Dallas pick becoming a first rounder, and the possibility of trading down coming into play. We may have seen our chances of getting one of the true impact players evaporate before our eyes, but there is still potential to come away from this draft with a long term win in my opinion.
Come our pick at number six I see Matthews, Laine, Pul-hardtospell, Dubois and Tkachuk all gone. Going off of the combine list that will leave us with a choice of Nylander, Chychryn, Sergachev, or Juolevi as the early favorites. I'm not enamored with any of these players. I don't see any of the defensemen at the top of this draft becoming impact players, or any more of an impact of the plethora of prospects on the blueline that are already in our system. Drafting one of those defensemen just doesn't make sense to me, not when there are players available that better address our organizational needs. Nylander doesn't seem like a player that would survive in the west. He seems more like an eastern conference player and not someone who is going to do well with the heavy teams in the west. I'm just not happy with the players available in this band. I would much rather take a flier on other players, especially if you can get an opportunity to select multiple players. As things start to gel, I'm liking the idea of trading down that much more.
I think you're overlooking Nylander, New Era. With Gaudreau-Monahan solidified as our first line, Bennett-Nylander would give two legitimate scoring lines - and don't discount Nylander's off-wing one timer on the PP - something we desperately lack.
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I think you're overlooking Nylander, New Era. With Gaudreau-Monahan solidified as our first line, Bennett-Nylander would give two legitimate scoring lines - and don't discount Nylander's off-wing one timer on the PP - something we desperately lack.
Not overlooking him at all. I think he might have some success in a division and conference where the physical aspect of the game is downplayed. I don't see him performing in the west. A Bennett/Nylander combination might be of interest to some, but I wouldn't expect much out of it. That combo is way too small and Bennett would have to carry way too much of the physical load which is a waste of his skill set. Bennett needs a couple big bodies on his wings to take that load off his shoulder.
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- said he was 220 and 6'7" now, hard to move off the puck
- was put on a line with Lemieux this season on purpose
- gets to see the impact of shooting and going into the dirty areas for scoring
- was a perimeter player but now "gets it"
- realized that if he passes to Lemieux and waits to get it back he won't get it; had to go to the net to get his points
- conditioning has improved
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Rocky Thompson, now there's a name out of the past, I used to know his uncle. I'm surprised he's gone into coaching and there have been good things said about him. Could be a future NHL head coach.
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"Rocky's presentation was the best one; he knocked it dead."
Do you think the Winnipeg 2nd overall is a possibility? They have a wealth of young talented forwards and if any weaknesses in their system is its their depth of defense prospects.
You think Calgarys 6th, Dallas 1st (27 to 30 if they win this round) and either Kylington or Andersson would be a reasonable offer for 2nd overall.
With all the talk about picks as currency by our management and Burkes desire to always make deals at the draft I wonder if they use this opportunity to really make a play for an impact RW player.
I would be surprised if Columbus even considers moving their pick though I expect if they do anything its trying to deal with Winnipeg to move up one spot.
Do you think the Winnipeg 2nd overall is a possibility? They have a wealth of young talented forwards and if any weaknesses in their system is its their depth of defense prospects.
You think Calgarys 6th, Dallas 1st (27 to 30 if they win this round) and either Kylington or Andersson would be a reasonable offer for 2nd overall.
With all the talk about picks as currency by our management and Burkes desire to always make deals at the draft I wonder if they use this opportunity to really make a play for an impact RW player.
I would be surprised if Columbus even considers moving their pick though I expect if they do anything its trying to deal with Winnipeg to move up one spot.
Yeah no... Laine is untouchable to the Jets
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Not overlooking him at all. I think he might have some success in a division and conference where the physical aspect of the game is downplayed. I don't see him performing in the west. A Bennett/Nylander combination might be of interest to some, but I wouldn't expect much out of it. That combo is way too small and Bennett would have to carry way too much of the physical load which is a waste of his skill set. Bennett needs a couple big bodies on his wings to take that load off his shoulder.
Pure BS. Nylander will be just fine in the West just like Patrick Kane, Johnny Gaudreau, the Sedin's, on and on.
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Do you think the Winnipeg 2nd overall is a possibility? They have a wealth of young talented forwards and if any weaknesses in their system is its their depth of defense prospects.
You think Calgarys 6th, Dallas 1st (27 to 30 if they win this round) and either Kylington or Andersson would be a reasonable offer for 2nd overall.
With all the talk about picks as currency by our management and Burkes desire to always make deals at the draft I wonder if they use this opportunity to really make a play for an impact RW player.
I would be surprised if Columbus even considers moving their pick though I expect if they do anything its trying to deal with Winnipeg to move up one spot.
There would be outrage in Winnipeg if chevy traded the #2. Laine is an elite potential winger. Not just a 1st line talent, an elite potential talent. Only way Chevy makes that move is if someone over pays, which I doubt happens.
Going off of the combine list that will leave us with a choice of Nylander, Chychryn, Sergachev, or Juolevi as the early favorites. I'm not enamored with any of these players. I don't see any of the defensemen at the top of this draft becoming impact players, or any more of an impact of the plethora of prospects on the blueline that are already in our system. Drafting one of those defensemen just doesn't make sense to me, not when there are players available that better address our organizational needs.
Say what? Has there been a draft in recent memory where the top defenseman wasn't an "impact player"? Benning believes there's at least 2 defensemen with top pairing potential. Top pairing defensemen are impact players. I don't think anyone in our system is a probable top pairing defensemen.
Methinks you're underrating these dmen quite a bit.
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This draft is crazy! Every other top pick in this rebuild has almost been decided for us, this is the first pick by our scouts that is purely subjective. Great test to see if our scouting staff is as good as we all hope the are.
P.S. My vote has changed several times over the past few weeks, and I'm a massive Brown fan right now.
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I've changed my mind too, the more I read about him and watch him, the more I want Keller, size be damned. Just think he'll be the best outside the top 5 and we don't take him for a number of very valid reasons. This assumed Dubois and tkachuk are taken.
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Say what? Has there been a draft in recent memory where the top defenseman wasn't an "impact player"? Benning believes there's at least 2 defensemen with top pairing potential. Top pairing defensemen are impact players. I don't think anyone in our system is a probable top pairing defensemen.
That isn't what I heard Benning say. I heard him say these guys are second tier defenders, and if you are prepared for that upside you may be happy with the pick. That is kind of my take on it as well. I didn't see a defenseman that wowed me or made me believe they would be top end talents, let alone top pairing players.
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Methinks you're underrating these dmen quite a bit.
That is indeed possible. All I know is that I don't see a defenseman in the top three that I would want to invest a high pick in. I don't see the complete package like the top defensemen from other drafts have had. I don't see a defenseman with skills any better than Andersson has displayed for example. Chychryn's biggest claim to fame is his skating and I think Kylington is the better skater. If there was a guy that could play a good hard nosed physical game in these three I might be inclined to go after that guy, but I don't see any of them being able to play that role. Just my opinion. We'll see how it plays out.
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Wow, I see how he gets talked about as one of the most talented players in the draft potentially.
He looks like Gaudreau out there.
No one loves "black and blue" hockey more than me, but I want the Flames to take Keller. Gaudreau and Keller as the offensive catalysts on line 1 and 2, Monahan and Bennett as 1a and 1b centres and fill the rest of the 8 forward spots with truculence.
That's how I want to see the team built up front.
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