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[MissTeeks]

Boudreau has his interview with Ottawa tomorrow:

Bruce Garrioch
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Former Anaheim coach Bruce Boudreau will interview for the Ottawa job tomorrow. #Sens

[Calgary4LIfe]

Well, I don't completely disagree with Renaud - at least not about everything.

The only thing that I have found somewhat troubling in all of this is the disconnect between what Treliving and Burke were saying, and what Hartley has said. If you listened to Hartley on the Fan, one thing he answered when it was asked was about the difference in philosophy that Treliving had for the Flames, and the system that was actually put into practice. Hartley said it was news to him that there was a difference of opinion there, and that he worked closely with Treliving.

To me, I think Treliving really wanted to hire his own coach since he got here. Burke gave Hartley the thumbs up, and Hartley had the Flames playing well. Ward was also very highly regarded in the organization and outside of it as well, but Treliving made that change.

I am ok with the change, don't get me wrong. I just find it curious as to who (if anyone) was really either lying or somewhat... confused? Listening to Hartley, I don't have any reason not to believe what he said - he was truly humbling and seemed really honest. Treliving too. Just seems exceptionally weird to have this HUGE (at least I consider it huge) disconnect between the coach and the GM, and it being 'news to the coach'.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Well, I don't completely disagree with Renaud - at least not about everything.

The only thing that I have found somewhat troubling in all of this is the disconnect between what Treliving and Burke were saying, and what Hartley has said. If you listened to Hartley on the Fan, one thing he answered when it was asked was about the difference in philosophy that Treliving had for the Flames, and the system that was actually put into practice. Hartley said it was news to him that there was a difference of opinion there, and that he worked closely with Treliving.

To me, I think Treliving really wanted to hire his own coach since he got here. Burke gave Hartley the thumbs up, and Hartley had the Flames playing well. Ward was also very highly regarded in the organization and outside of it as well, but Treliving made that change.

I am ok with the change, don't get me wrong. I just find it curious as to who (if anyone) was really either lying or somewhat... confused? Listening to Hartley, I don't have any reason not to believe what he said - he was truly humbling and seemed really honest. Treliving too. Just seems exceptionally weird to have this HUGE (at least I consider it huge) disconnect between the coach and the GM, and it being 'news to the coach'.

If they are both telling approximately the truth then there is a big communication gap between them. That in itself would be reason for a change.

[Monahan For Mayor]

Just heard that Boudreaus daughter and grand kids live in Ottawa. I don't know how much stock he puts into family, but that would be very enticing. Most grandparents love to be around their grandkids as they grow up.

[CaptainYooh]

Friedman just said on TV that Boudreau would love to coach in Ottawa because of his strong family connections over there.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Monahan For Mayor

Just heard that Boudreaus daughter and grand kids live in Ottawa. I don't know how much stock he puts into family, but that would be very enticing. Most grandparents love to be around their grandkids as they grow up.

Well, it is Ottawa. He'll be lucky to get two years worth of family time before he gets the old heave-ho.

[Racki]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

Well, it is Ottawa. He'll be lucky to get two years worth of family time before he gets the old heave-ho.

I find it hard to believe any of the current available coaches would chose Ottawa if there was a viable alternative. I wouldn't wanna play for Melnyk after the hatchet job he put on Dave Cameron following the season.

[OffsideSpecialist]

Melnyk had a pretty good relationship with Cameron prior to their falling out, considering he coached his OHL team. I wouldn't be shocked if that may have been part of the reason MacLean was given the boot so early, but I really have nothing to back that up.

I have to think that having family in Ottawa would be the only redeemable quality of taking on the job there. It has to be one of the least desirable opportunities in the NHL. If Boudreau isn't interested, I think it will wind up going to a retread like Carlyle or Crawford.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by edslunch

If they are both telling approximately the truth then there is a big communication gap between them. That in itself would be reason for a change.

That is certainly one possibility, though both Treliving and Hartley stated emphatically throughout their time together in the organization, and even post-firing, that they worked closely together.

My take is actually that Treliving didn't want to come out in the media and stated that Hartley's style wore out on the players, and he was just being more supportive from that front. It is much easier firing someone over 'philosophical differences' rather than an issue regarding a personality trait.

[Flamescuprun2018]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Well, I don't completely disagree with Renaud - at least not about everything.

The only thing that I have found somewhat troubling in all of this is the disconnect between what Treliving and Burke were saying, and what Hartley has said. If you listened to Hartley on the Fan, one thing he answered when it was asked was about the difference in philosophy that Treliving had for the Flames, and the system that was actually put into practice. Hartley said it was news to him that there was a difference of opinion there, and that he worked closely with Treliving.

To me, I think Treliving really wanted to hire his own coach since he got here. Burke gave Hartley the thumbs up, and Hartley had the Flames playing well. Ward was also very highly regarded in the organization and outside of it as well, but Treliving made that change.

I am ok with the change, don't get me wrong. I just find it curious as to who (if anyone) was really either lying or somewhat... confused? Listening to Hartley, I don't have any reason not to believe what he said - he was truly humbling and seemed really honest. Treliving too. Just seems exceptionally weird to have this HUGE (at least I consider it huge) disconnect between the coach and the GM, and it being 'news to the coach'.

I was left with the same feeling after hearing that comment from Hartley. Whose side is correct? Treliving is usually such a straight shooter but in this instance one of these gentlemen is not fully transparent.

It does seem likely that Treliving spoke his mind when in disagreement with Hartley's strategy. Hartley may have simply ignored him and thought all was well.

The most puzzling coaching decisions this year were who was in goal when?

[hockey.modern]

Looks like the Ducks are interested in Travis Green

http://nhl.nbcsports.com/2016/05/05/...-coaching-job/

[Iniggywetrust]

Nm

[Point Blank]

Wrong thread

[mikeecho]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

That is certainly one possibility, though both Treliving and Hartley stated emphatically throughout their time together in the organization, and even post-firing, that they worked closely together.

My take is actually that Treliving didn't want to come out in the media and stated that Hartley's style wore out on the players, and he was just being more supportive from that front. It is much easier firing someone over 'philosophical differences' rather than an issue regarding a personality trait.

Agree. The press conference to address the firing of the coach is not the place to air the laundry and share all the gory details. You keep it professional. Style of play is a very accurate/obvious and easy way to explain the change while respecting Hartley as he moves on from the team.

Same applies to the players. No one is going to come forward and dish the goods. They'll say the usual... "we needed to be better," "this is on the players," "we liked him," etc...

I actually thought Monahan was more candid than most in his comments on 960 where he was complimentary of Hartley, but in the same breath, saying (paraphrasing) it's a performance based business and it was probably time for a change.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Flamescuprun2018

I was left with the same feeling after hearing that comment from Hartley. Whose side is correct? Treliving is usually such a straight shooter but in this instance one of these gentlemen is not fully transparent.

Treliving a straight shooter? I see him more as a guy who can talk a lot without really saying much of anything.

[Point Blank]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Treliving a straight shooter? I see him more as a guy who can talk a lot without really saying much of anything.

That's Feaster

[Itse]

Originally Posted by Point Blank

That's Feaster

That's very much Treliving also IMO. Hockey platitudes 2.0 the remastered version. Sounds better than classic stuff, but the information value is the same.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Monahan For Mayor

Just heard that Boudreaus daughter and grand kids live in Ottawa. I don't know how much stock he puts into family, but that would be very enticing. Most grandparents love to be around their grandkids as they grow up.

That has to be pretty enticing. Not much different than say Brent Sutter leaving New Jersey to come back to Alberta to coach. Of course the Sutter story can also be used as a cautionary tale as it didn't work out. I do think Boudreau could get the Senators into the playoffs and maybe just making the playoffs there is good enough for Melnyk as they aren't going to win a cup with that roster and a limited budget.

[Toonage]

What good is having your family near by if every time you see them you're miserable because of your lousy job?

[Bingo]

I think we're seeing Treliving in stages. The man has come in as a rookie GM under a huge personality. I don't care where a person's confidence or swagger sits taking a job like that, it must take time to throw off the Burke stink and drive his own car.

Hartley was there, they were supportive of him, and then he won. That pretty much made the extension a given.

But when you look at his first trade ... Bollig ... doesn't that look like a guy 6 weeks into his first job doing what his boss wants?

Meanwhile you have Burke making lamp post jokes and trashing analytics all over the media world while the Flames continue to win without having the puck. Tough time to push your "we aren't doing this the right way" angle to his boss or his experienced coach.

So I think things came into play this year for Treliving. His style of play. His roster. His stamp on the team.

I think the deadlines proves the man knows how to wheel. The Hamilton trade looks great, and his draft picks have been spot on.

Now he gets to hire a coach, and I my gut says he's going his own way.