Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

Go Back   Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community > Main Forums > Fire on Ice: The Calgary Flames Forum
Register Forum Rules FAQ Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 05-04-2016, 03:35 PM   #3121
Itse
Franchise Player
 
Itse's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Helsinki, Finland
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher View Post
ISS May rankings are out
5. Dubois (W/C)
6. Tkachuk (LW)
7. Brown (C)
Seems like we have good chance of getting a big forward.
Itse is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2016, 03:39 PM   #3122
icarus
Franchise Player
 
icarus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Singapore
Exp:
Default 2016 NHL Draft

To be fair, Nylander is not much smaller than Tkachuk.
__________________
Shot down in Flames!
icarus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2016, 03:41 PM   #3123
GranteedEV
Franchise Player
 
GranteedEV's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Calgary
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by icarus View Post
To be fair, Nylander is not much smaller than Tkachuk.
Nylander is the same size as Wayne Gretzky.
__________________

"May those who accept their fate find happiness. May those who defy it find glory."
GranteedEV is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2016, 03:49 PM   #3124
Flames Draft Watcher
In the Sin Bin
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Itse View Post
Seems like we have good chance of getting a big forward.
Well to be fair I don't think EDM or VAN is taking Nylander. I think Chiarelli is trying to get bigger and stronger just like we are. Nylander is one of the few players that Benning hasn't really blabbed about.

My informed EDM friend thinks they would and should go Tkachuk if they don't trade the pick. What's interesting to watch here is if they can acquire a d-man before the draft starts. Sounds like most EDM fans think they should be trading for a d-man and then drafting a poweforward. I don't disagree with that approach if Chia can make it happen. My friend thinks they would be willing to overpay to get the right defenseman.

VAN is hard to read. Sounds like it's down to Tkachuk, Dubois and two defensemen at their pick. Based on all the Benning interviews I've heard I think Tkachuk might be ranked #4 by them and then if he's gone they'd lean towards a d-man. Just a guess though.
Flames Draft Watcher is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2016, 03:51 PM   #3125
Finger Cookin
Franchise Player
 
Finger Cookin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Exp:
Default

McKenzie just sent out a series of tweets about the idea of moving to a 19 year old draft gaining traction. What do the draft wonks here think of that?
Finger Cookin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2016, 03:52 PM   #3126
Flames Draft Watcher
In the Sin Bin
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Exp:
Default

Craig Button on TSN Vancouver Radio talking about Tkachuk and more

http://www.tsn.ca/radio/vancouver-10...me-is-1.483555
Flames Draft Watcher is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2016, 03:53 PM   #3127
GranteedEV
Franchise Player
 
GranteedEV's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Calgary
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Finger Cookin View Post
McKenzie just sent out a series of tweets about the idea of moving to a 19 year old draft gaining traction. What do the draft wonks here think of that?
Better for the league overall, sucks for the team that wins a top pick in the transition year. More mature human beings make better professionals. But man, I just remember when the Raptors missed out on Kevin Durant because of that transition year.
__________________

"May those who accept their fate find happiness. May those who defy it find glory."
GranteedEV is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2016, 03:56 PM   #3128
Da_Chief
Franchise Player
 
Join Date: May 2007
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Finger Cookin View Post
McKenzie just sent out a series of tweets about the idea of moving to a 19 year old draft gaining traction. What do the draft wonks here think of that?
Would take 2-3 years to implement that but I'd be ok with it. Would mean CHLers would only have to have spend 1 year in the CHL maximum post their draft year (would also mean CHL teams would get the top prospects for their 18th birthday as well). Teams would get a more known prospect. I'd be all for it.
Da_Chief is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2016, 04:04 PM   #3129
albertGQ
Franchise Player
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Exp:
Default

Wouldn't this encourage tanking even more? The draft would be less of a crapshoot so those early picks will be even more valuable

I like it the way it is.
albertGQ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2016, 06:41 PM   #3130
Fire
Franchise Player
 
Fire's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Calgary, AB
Exp:
Default

I don't like the idea of a 19 year old draft, it will hurt the NHL by preventing top young players from playing in the NHL and I don't think it benefits the CHL much either. A lot of 18 year old future superstars will do what Matthews did and go play in Europe where leagues are sensible enough to allow younger players to play if they are ready.
__________________

Fire is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2016, 06:54 PM   #3131
Da_Chief
Franchise Player
 
Join Date: May 2007
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fire View Post
I don't like the idea of a 19 year old draft, it will hurt the NHL by preventing top young players from playing in the NHL and I don't think it benefits the CHL much either. A lot of 18 year old future superstars will do what Matthews did and go play in Europe where leagues are sensible enough to allow younger players to play if they are ready.
I disagree. How many of them want to risk an injury by playing against men without having their NHL future secured? I think Matthews was a one time thing imo.
Da_Chief is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2016, 07:10 PM   #3132
Fire
Franchise Player
 
Fire's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Calgary, AB
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Da_Chief View Post
I disagree. How many of them want to risk an injury by playing against men without having their NHL future secured? I think Matthews was a one time thing imo.
Highly touted young European players play in men leagues all the time. They don't seem too concerned about it. Plus with the big ice service and lack of physical play in the Euro leagues the risk of injury might be less than the CHL.
__________________

Fire is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2016, 07:16 PM   #3133
1qqaaz
Franchise Player
 
1qqaaz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Indiana
Exp:
Default

Selfishly, I think it's cool to see the odd 18 year old making an impact in the NHL. Having very young players is one thing that sets the NHL apart from other team sports. The league has had these young players in the NHL for so long that it would be kind of sad to see it change.

It's cool to look into the history books and see the young stars who broke into the league at such a young age.

19 year olds would still be young and interesting, but it just wouldn't be the same.
1qqaaz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2016, 07:18 PM   #3134
Ashasx
Franchise Player
 
Ashasx's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Exp:
Default

I think draft picks will become quite a bit more valuable because teams get a better read on what the prospects could become.

Not sure if I like the idea though. I like watching the rare 18 year old in the NHL every season. It's so rare though outside of the first few picks that I'm not sure why this is even a concern for the NHL

Last edited by Ashasx; 05-04-2016 at 08:52 PM.
Ashasx is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Ashasx For This Useful Post:
Old 05-04-2016, 08:12 PM   #3135
JJ1532
First Line Centre
 
JJ1532's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fire View Post
I don't like the idea of a 19 year old draft, it will hurt the NHL by preventing top young players from playing in the NHL and I don't think it benefits the CHL much either. A lot of 18 year old future superstars will do what Matthews did and go play in Europe where leagues are sensible enough to allow younger players to play if they are ready.
How many make the NHL straight out of the draft at 18? How many are ready at 18? 2-3 on average? Is moving the draft eligibility by a year going to make a massive difference?

Maybe a rule could be implemented where by the most outstanding 18 year olds can apply for early draft eligibility at 18, just like the CHL did with Tavares, Ekblad, McDavid and Day. That would allow the NHL to apply some common sense and let the truly outstanding prospects enter the league early.
JJ1532 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2016, 08:44 PM   #3136
Fire of the Phoenix
#1 Goaltender
 
Fire of the Phoenix's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Northern Crater
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashasx View Post
I think draft picks will become quite a bit more valuable because teams get a better reach on what the prospects could become.

Not sure if I like the idea though. I like watching the rare 18 year old in the NHL every season. It's so rare though outside of the first few picks that I'm not sure why this is even a concern for the NHL
1sts and 2nds for sure. Later picks would lose significant value IMO.
Fire of the Phoenix is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2016, 08:52 PM   #3137
FanIn80
GOAT!
 
FanIn80's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Exp:
Default

2016 6th overall pick for Matt Murray: good, bad or am I on crack?
FanIn80 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2016, 08:54 PM   #3138
Cecil Terwilliger
That Crazy Guy at the Bus Stop
 
Cecil Terwilliger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Springfield Penitentiary
Exp:
Default

I like him but too much. I've seen too many goalies get hot for a month in April or May then turn out to be average.
Cecil Terwilliger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2016, 08:59 PM   #3139
1qqaaz
Franchise Player
 
1qqaaz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Indiana
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger View Post
I like him but too much. I've seen too many goalies get hot for a month in April or May then turn out to be average.
But this guy hasn't been sub 93% at any level since he was in the OHL. Even there he was 92%+. In his last 96 games (AHL and NHL), he's at around 93.5%. He's been "hot" consistently for years now.

If Dubois and Tkachuk were both gone at 6, I'd heavily consider it. But I might be out to lunch as well.
1qqaaz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2016, 09:02 PM   #3140
Lanny_McDonald
Franchise Player
 
Lanny_McDonald's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by FanIn80 View Post
2016 6th overall pick for Matt Murray: good, bad or am I on crack?
You're on crack. Gross overpay.
Lanny_McDonald is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
2016 nhl draft , nhl draft , nhl entry draft


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 09:59 PM.

Calgary Flames
2024-25




Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright Calgarypuck 2021 | See Our Privacy Policy