What will Monahan's next contract be?

[Goodlad]

^if that's how you post when you don't want to give any offense I'd hate to see when you do

[Crumpy-Gunt]

If someone is offended by me asking rhetorical questions like is Monahan your cousin, they probably are too sensitive to be on the Internet. I don't think vinny will be offended because I don't think vinny is sensitive and he can see I'm not attacking him (I know nothing about him and I like his posts) but the idea Monahan is comparable to Toews.

Again, I can't control how people respond to things. I didn't mean any offence and if I did cause any Ill apologise to vinny in advance. But I don't think vinny will be offended lol. Good lad just wants to be offended for vinny or stir a pot with nothing in it. If vinny is offended I would be happy to apologise.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Crumpy-Gunt

We are talking about playing style, not stats though brotha.

Fine...lets compare Monahan to every player who's scored 20plus and 30 plus in their first two seasons. On draft day, do they compare young prospects based on their stats in juniors or how they play or project to play in the NHL?

SERIOUSLY? Lol. Is Monahan your cousin or something (jk, I know a lot of poster who make this comparison, it's not just you).

You are absolutely biased, my friend, if you think Monahan is more comparable to Toews than Langkow playing style wise. Nobody said anything about Langkow scoring 33 at year 2 of his career. We're talking about abilities, playing style, short comings etc.

Why are people so personally insulted by that comparison ? To me it's a good example of a player like Monahan - who we all know and have watched if you've been a flames fan for any period of time. You should know Langkow.

Even if we compare stats and not playing style.. If Monahan ends his career with 1000 games, 672 points and 270 goals.. What on earth is wrong with that? I'd be delighted with that kind of a career. Why do people want to compare Monahan to Toews, arguably the best player since the lockout.

So it's Toews or bust? What if this is pretty close to Monahans ceiling, 30goals and about 60ish points. Being the finisher and not racking up too many assists or setting up too many plays. Do you guys expect every young centre drafted in the top 6 to become a Toews caliber or style player? Surely what makes Toews, Crosby, Kopitar, Bergeron types so awesome is that there's only about 5 of them in the league.

Monahan doesn't drive the offence. It's obvious. Does that make him a bad player? No. Does that mean we don't like him? No. Does that mean we don't think he can develop into a more individually effective offensive player? No.

At this point, everything we've seen from Sean points closer to Daymond Langkow than Jonathan frikin Toews.

Honestly. I'm just shocked by how people let themselves think this awesome young player we have can be compared to arguable the best player drafted in the last decade. Gaudreau Kane, sure I really see it. It's been said for a long long time.

Maybe if Sean had better athleticism, individual skill and a much much higher compete level, we could begin to compare him to Toews.

And NO I'm not a Blackhawks fan, just someone who has seen both Toews and Monahan play a lot. Toews isn't even my favourite player, that would be Ovechkin - but I recognise the driving force of a team when I see it. I can also recognise a secondary player who is a beneficiary and riding the offensive/statistical coat tails of other much more offensively talented players.

I hope vinny01 understands I'm not upset at him or meaning any offence, but I completely disagree and that's OK. I still really enjoy your posts Vinny mate. The issue is I just don't think the comparison is realistic, or fair to Sean, or Jonathan.

I think it is cute that you think I am the one that is insulted or upset. Read your own post their pal. At least you are true to your username.

[Crumpy-Gunt]

My username is a copy of someone on nufc-forum. A Newcastle soccer board. He is a funny poster so I copied his name.

Any ways no need to go off ad hominem obviously you are upset by my post. Sowwy.

[Vinny01]

no need to apologize CG. I don't get why you think I am upset lol people are entitled to their opinions. Agree to disagree

[driveway]

There's no point in a bridge deal with Monahan.

Here's a list of NHL centres, younger than 25 who are on at least their second contract, from richest to poorest:

Player, Age, Salary
Stamkos 25 7.5
Stepan 25 6.5
Nugent-Hopkins 22 6.0
O'Reilly 24 6.0
Duchene 24 6.0
Seguin 23 5.75
Tavares 25 5.5
Bjugstad 23 4.1
Kadri 25 4.1
T. Johnson 24 3.33
Coyle 23 3.2
Granlund 23 3.0


It's pretty clear that Monahan belongs in the 5+ million/per range, even on a bridge deal. Given that, I see no benefit in trying to get him to sign a 3-year deal, unless Treleving can wave a magic wand and get Monahan for less than 5/per. But, if the comparable there is Bjugstad, Monahan's agent wins that argument easily, Bjugstad's first three years: 19th overall pick 156gp 41g 41a 82 pts (0.53 ppg) Monahan (halfway through season 3): 6th overall, 194gp 65g 57a 122pts (0.63 ppg).

If we could get him to something like Duchene's contract (5 years/30 million) but over seven or eight years, or the six by six Oilers classic stretched over 7 years I'd be ecstatic.

Say a 7 year deal averaging 6-6.5 million and I think we'd be more than happy with that for the whole duration of the contract. If we could get him on a Seguin or Tavares <6/per contract, we're laughing. Just laughing.

[Crumpy-Gunt]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

no need to apologize CG. I don't get why you think I am upset lol people are entitled to their opinions. Agree to disagree

I have this phobia of upsetting someone online, someone who's going through a divorce and losing their job and kids and being the straw that breaks their back or something. People have their lives and we are all human, and although I'm opinionated I don't like upsetting, trolling people at all. Just because we have the right to offend doesn't mean it is an obligation to offend.

Thanks mate, agree to disagree

[Tinordi]

I think it's still unclear what you've got with Monahan. Is he a 25 goal 50 point guy or is he 30 goal 65 point guy? The cap hit difference is 1.5 to 2 million.

Flames will not sign him long term at 65 point money. Monahan won't sign long term at 50 point money. Meaning the smart money is on him signing a bridge deal.

[driveway]

A bridge deal will still be around 5-5.5 per year, he'll have something like 80 goals and 80 assists over 3 years to point to should he go to arbitration, a situation the flames would - I imagine - be keen to avoid.

What's the benefit to signing, say 3 years at 5 million, and then he turns out to be a solid 55 points a year? He'd still command a raise over that 5 million as now you're buying UFA years, likely somewhere around 6.5 per year, maybe more, which is an overpay for a 55 point guy.

Then if it goes the other way and he blossoms into Anze Kopitar 2.0 you're paying him 10 million after that bridge deal.

Either way, a bridge deal is a bad idea with Monahan.

[#-3]

I'm kind of thinking $28M / 5.

Monahan gets the ideal term for a big payday next time, and the Flames get a little bit of savings now, If he and Gaudreau are still the top line in 5 years then pay him the crazy money, no problem.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

21 year old Toews was:

The #1 Center on a WCF Team that beat the last Flames playoff team of the Iginla era
4th in Selke voting

Monahan was 20th in Selke trophy voting at 20. Doubt he'll get 4th this season but his defensive acumen is well documented.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by #-3

I'm kind of thinking $28M / 5.

Monahan gets the ideal term for a big payday next time, and the Flames get a little bit of savings now, If he and Gaudreau are still the top line in 5 years then pay him the crazy money, no problem.

Makes no sense that only buys 1 year UFA. Either sign him to a 3 year deal or 7-8

[bettman]

his contract will be 8 years 47 million.

[albertGQ]

Pat Steinberg's tweet:

Sean Monahan on with us now. Says we might hear some contract news “sooner rather than later.” #Flames

[Stay Golden]

6.6m per 7 years.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by albertGQ

Pat Steinberg's tweet:

Sean Monahan on with us now. Says we might hear some contract news “sooner rather than later.” #Flames

8 years please.

[getoverit]

bridge money

[Trailer Fire]

Originally Posted by getoverit

bridge money

There is a "build a bridge and getoverit" joke in here somewhere. I'm inches from it.

[spuzzum]

I've changed my opinion of Monahan and think he will sign long term at either 7 or 8 years. 8 years 48.5 million total just a slice above $6 million per.

[flamesforcup]

well id would probably say similer to what barkov got.